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I think what threw people off Buzz, was everyone thought the album would be accepted by fans, and the critics would rape it and be unfair. In fact the reverse happened. The critics were very very fair, some calling it a very good album, and the fans/listeners to ripped it to shreds.
The critics were indeed positive towards the album.
faldor wrote:The dumbed down people, as Baz puts it, likes the manufactured rock, American idol pop crap, R&B, etc.
because they are dumbed down, they are a relatively easy target, that is why all sorts crap gets sold to them....like Nickelback...
with a little bit of enthusiasm from Mr Rose, GNR could have been topping the charts in no time whatsoever....the general joe would have lapped it up if they were 'told" to do so...
they weren't, so they don't know what's good and what isn't...
The 'right' GNR would absolutely destroy the rock charts at this point. 
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faldor wrote:Yeah, the countless DJ's bashing Axl and new GNR over the years were really selling the album well. I'm not sure what strong selling point ther was from the mainstream media aside from the "Rolling Stone" review. The best thing I heard on the radio, etc. was "it's actually not a bad album". Not exactly screaming "you must go out and by this album."
I don't know - I've seen countless threads where I've said the album was a failure and people have pointed to positive media reviews as proof that the music was good. I never called anybody on it because I assumed that such reviews actually existed. So were there positive media reviews or weren't there? If there were, then people were told. If there weren't then people were lying about it as false evidence of the quality of the album. Which is it?
Buzzsaw those reviews certainly DO exist. I could send a bunch of links your way if you want. My point is, who outside of these forums are going to read a positive review from various internet sites? I certainly don't go around searching for reviews of other bands CD's, I can't imagine others would. I brought up "Rolling Stone" because that's a pretty major music magazine and they gave CD 5 stars. Your average music fan might come across that one. But I doubt the average Joe would've done the research to find there were PLENTY of positive reviews out there. They'd rather listen to the Dick and Harry Morning Zoo and believe whatever they say. They make fun of Axl and refuse to play the new songs because "they suck", and the listeners buy into it.
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I think what threw people off Buzz, was everyone thought the album would be accepted by fans, and the critics would rape it and be unfair. In fact the reverse happened. The critics were very very fair, some calling it a very good album, and the fans/listeners to ripped it to shreds.
That's what makes it so frustrating. I too thought it would get hammered in the press, but for the most part they were very fair. Obviously you had some people with the hardcore stance that they just weren't going to let themselves like it regardless. But for the most part, the stage was set up for Axl this time around. Stations played the title track every hour on the hour the 1st day it was available. They played the album front to back the weekend it was released. And this was nationwide, not just one or two stations. But they were only gonna go so far. It's not their job to push the album and continue to talk it up. It's almost like they wanted to, but when they didn't get any assistance from the band they decided it wasn't worth it anymore.
I haven't heard any of the songs on the radio in quite some time. The weeks leading up to, and after the release I was hearing at least 1 new song a day. So to me that says the interest WAS there. But with no follow through, there was little reason to go onward. In this day and age it helps if you "play the game". If you want your music to be played and accepted you've got to do some interviews, play some shows, show some passion. The whole recluse, mystery card can only carry you so far. And I'm not saying Axl doesn't care but that's the impression that's been given off unfortunately.
To this day Eddie Trunk still brings up how cool it was for Axl to drop by his show that one night 3 years ago. He seems forever greatful of him for that. If Axl had just called into a few radio stations after the release it would've made him and the band look so much better in the public eye. Instead we get the continued mysteriousness and silence. There's probably a reason for it, but I can't quite figure it out. But if it hasn't changed by now I guess we shouldn't expect it to change anytime soon. I naively thought things might be different post Chinese Democracy. I don't think anyone could have predicted things would've unfolded quite like this though.
I love the album, and I love the band and will continue to support them. It's all just so very strange. That's all.
- mickronson
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I heard all but jack shit when it released, ( title song (bad fuckin choice) and then better for the hell of it one day)) and have not heard jack shit since.
someone must have called in and asked where slash was
- Mikkamakka
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I like the 'CD is great, just the world doesn't know about it' theory. Really. I believe some of you love it and consider it a masterpiece. The point is why this greatness hasn't flown around the world? People show their favourite music to others all the time. Why does James tell that anytime he puts CD in a hi-fi, people asked him to take it out? Why everyone experience that the world isn't into this music? I know that there will come the 'I don't want it to sell much, cause Britney sells much' and 'It's about the art, not the sale numbers and the money' etc. Truth is that this music does have no effect on people, doesn't move them. The old fan base bought it and nobody else. It's good, but not that great and there is nothing in this band to sell a not-great product. No shows, no videos and 'I don't know' in-depth interviews by guys nobody knows will not sell it, for sure.
- mickronson
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I listen to 3 songs from it now. And 2 of those are those first leaked.
The rest just dont last. There is better out there.
CITR would have been another if it didnt get butchered
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I like the 'CD is great, just the world doesn't know about it' theory. Really. I believe some of you love it and consider it a masterpiece. The point is why this greatness hasn't flown around the world? People show their favourite music to others all the time. Why does James tell that anytime he puts CD in a hi-fi, people asked him to take it out? Why everyone experience that the world isn't into this music? I know that there will come the 'I don't want it to sell much, cause Britney sells much' and 'It's about the art, not the sale numbers and the money' etc. Truth is that this music does have no effect on people, doesn't move them. The old fan base bought it and nobody else. It's good, but not that great and there is nothing in this band to sell a not-great product. No shows, no videos and 'I don't know' in-depth interviews by guys nobody knows will not sell it, for sure.
The last 2 sentences of your post are the whole point of why it hasn't sold well and the world hasn't bought into it. An album can only stand on its own for so long. It needs an initial push to get going. This album was getting that at the start but without any interviews or appearances that all quickly stopped. I'm not saying the world was against the album and it was never going to succeed. Quite the opposite. I think people in the music business wanted it to succeed, but without any help from the band there was no chance of that.
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I listen to 3 songs from it now. And 2 of those are those first leaked.
The rest just dont last. There is better out there.
CITR would have been another if it didnt get butchered
In contrast I listen to the album in full at least a couple times a week still and haven't bought or listened to any other CD's since Nov. 23rd.
- Mikkamakka
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500,000 old fans bought it in the US. They showed it to their friends. Like 6,000 of them felt it worth buying. Why? It's not about promotion, it's about people not liking it enough. I still haven't met anyone who bought it, although one of my friends (an old softcore fan) is thinking of buying it as soon as it gets cheaper.
Edit: it's not about me not liking the album. I like it, but not love it - it's the second or third best 'post-GN'R' (post-UYI, if you like it) album for me. I just don't find anything that would attract younger music listeners, those who aren't fans of th old material. On the other hand I absolutely understand why a lot of old fans don't like it.
Anyway, if Axl was sane enough he wouldn't go into hiding, but would keep working. The sales are disappointing compared to the GN'R brand name, but still good enough to start something new. Yep, he should restart the new era first, since most of the main CD contributors are gone. Years ago. Anyway, he could still stay relevant with more releases in every few years.
- mickronson
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mickronson wrote:I listen to 3 songs from it now. And 2 of those are those first leaked.
The rest just dont last. There is better out there.
CITR would have been another if it didnt get butcheredIn contrast I listen to the album in full at least a couple times a week still and haven't bought or listened to any other CD's since Nov. 23rd.
not any other cd`s since? oh dear
