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Re: have you ever wondered...
...if alot of Axl's animosity towards Slash comes not from the man himself but people saying for years that Axl needs Slash...and Slash needs Axl?
i just kinda wondered that today...i know if i'm not fond of something but am forced to deal with that thing day after day then i magnifies my feeling towards that particular thing or act (or even person)
magnify day by day to Year by Year ... would the feeling then become thousand-fold?
say Zutaut tells Axl that he should reunite with Slash
then Beavan says it
then Moby says it
then Merck says it
then Azoff/Gould say it
then the fans say it
then the press say it
etc, etc ... we all know Axl moves left when peopel say right...it this the same kinda thing goin on?
EDIT: (ALL THE ABOVE IS BASED ON THEORY AND SPECULATION ONLY) 
Re: have you ever wondered...
When did Azoff and Merck say it?
It's just speculation. And a lot of people do think that way. I don't personally. I don't think Azoff is baiting Axl into a "it's Slash or nothing" movement. I just don't see that. Other people want to believe that, that's fine. But Axl's made it quite clear he's not going down that road. So if they're making that effort, it sure seems like a lost cause to me. Some people you'd be able to break down or reason with. But I don't view Axl the same as "some people".
- shotgunblues1978
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Re: have you ever wondered...
I think it has more to do with Slash spending several years trashing him publicly, particularly saying things that were completely untrue simply for the purpose of making himself look better and Axl look worse
The story of Axl blackmailing him and Duff into signing over the name for example. It is pretty clear that this isn't what happened, but it doesn't matter. Slash said it and the general public believed it. To this day a large percentage of the general public still thinks that Axl forced them to sign over the name and kicked everyone else out of the band
- monkeychow
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Re: have you ever wondered...
Interesting post Neemo.
I'd say it's definately a factor.
Axl seems like the type of person who feels things intensly and is quite sensitive to his enviroment.
I notice how he often comments on things happening in the audience at the front. People getting crushed, fights, interaaction with audience members. I notice how he seems to actually care about what muppets like us post on the boards. I look at his historical reactions to things said about him in the press. He's acutely aware of what's going on around him at all times it seems.
Anyway...they say time heals all wounds, but in certain situations I think time can make a wound infected and worse.
Fuck the music and all the other reasons, it would be nice if they'd patched up this issue just for their health and spirt. It's not good to hold on to such hurt and agression for decades. Then again, some people are just not supposeed to be friends in the end, and it can be better to just walk away.
But yeah...I think the way things have worked out is definately making a bad situation worse, and I also think that the personalities of both Axl and Slash - at least so far as we can tell from the media - is not contrbituing well to geting things fixed.
- A Private Eye
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Re: have you ever wondered...
If Azoff is making that effort (and at the very least it will have crossed his mind), then he'd have to be a lot smarter than that (which he is). Not saying it's what he's doing but if that's his ultimate plan he'll have to try harder than 'You need Slash and Slash needs you' every ten minutes in Axls ear.
I agree though Neemo, constantly being reminded of or about something you feel strong animosity only tends to magnify the problem. I certainly don't think it would have helped the situation over the years at the very least.
Re: have you ever wondered...
I think it has more to do with Slash spending several years trashing him publicly, particularly saying things that were completely untrue simply for the purpose of making himself look better and Axl look worse
The story of Axl blackmailing him and Duff into signing over the name for example. It is pretty clear that this isn't what happened, but it doesn't matter. Slash said it and the general public believed it. To this day a large percentage of the general public still thinks that Axl forced them to sign over the name and kicked everyone else out of the band
Yeah, I think for better or worse most people think it's Axl's fault the old lineup broke up. Even if some actually believe THAT story, they still blame Axl one way or another. Fact is, I'm sure it took all parties involved. But you're right, in the general public's eye, Axl gets the bad rap for the whole thing. Slash is just a more likeable and more available guy, so I guess he's easier to believe. Even though he's not as innocent as he may claim to be.
Re: have you ever wondered...
If Azoff is making that effort (and at the very least it will have crossed his mind), then he'd have to be a lot smarter than that (which he is). Not saying it's what he's doing but if that's his ultimate plan he'll have to try harder than 'You need Slash and Slash needs you' every ten minutes in Axls ear.
I agree though Neemo, constantly being reminded of or about something you feel strong animosity only tends to magnify the problem. I certainly don't think it would have helped the situation over the years at the very least.
Agreed, I'm that way for the most part in fact. If people keep telling me I need to do something, I'm more likely to NOT do it. As long as I can justify not doing it at least. At this point I think it'd be a huge blow to Axl's ego if he made up with Slash and reformed the band. Even though he knows that's what the general public wants, that doesn't matter. It's come to a point of no return. Unless Slash bent over backwards and appologized tenfold to Axl (whether warranted or not) it will never happen. I don't think Axl could be swayed by any amount of money. That is to be believed if you trust Steven Adler, if anyone does these days that is.
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Re: have you ever wondered...
shotgunblues1978 wrote:I think it has more to do with Slash spending several years trashing him publicly, particularly saying things that were completely untrue simply for the purpose of making himself look better and Axl look worse
The story of Axl blackmailing him and Duff into signing over the name for example. It is pretty clear that this isn't what happened, but it doesn't matter. Slash said it and the general public believed it. To this day a large percentage of the general public still thinks that Axl forced them to sign over the name and kicked everyone else out of the band
Yeah, I think for better or worse most people think it's Axl's fault the old lineup broke up. Even if some actually believe THAT story, they still blame Axl one way or another. Fact is, I'm sure it took all parties involved. But you're right, in the general public's eye, Axl gets the bad rap for the whole thing. Slash is just a more likeable and more available guy, so I guess he's easier to believe. Even though he's not as innocent as he may claim to be.
Yeah and I think that is why Axl's animosity exists. Some irritation that Slash is more adept at playing the PR/press game, and that Slash did in fact appear to go out of his way to destroy Axl's reputation publicly for several years with the stuff he said about him both in terms of breaking up Guns and as a person. Axl has sad that he was very hurt and upset when Slash left GNR and I imagine Slash's behavior in terms of what he said to the press following his departure is unforgivable in Axl's eyes. Axl has always been a polarizing and controversial figure and there's no question that Slash caused significant and probably irrepairable damage to his reputation
Although I'm sure that people saying that he should get back with Slash is very aggravating and is the cause of his recent comments (trying to make it clear in no uncertain terms that he is not going to work with Slash again), the root of the problem is pretty obvious at least to me, that being Slash's departure from GUns and subsequent behavior
Re: have you ever wondered...
btw all my claims above are speculation...i jsut wanna make it clear, and i dont wanna be misquoted or misunderstood
as for the "Slash trashed Axl publically for years" comment, i dont buy it, i dare anyone to drag up as many derogatory Axl comments from Slash as they can....there isnt many as you wanna beleive. if peopel post a bunch of example of Slash bashing Axl i'll humbly back down and apologise, but i've followed this band "forever and a day" and i honestly dont recall anything really scathing coming from slash 
anyway i'm not on the Slash bandwagon right now, the thought just struck me and i thought it'd be somethign to discuss....a new take on an old topic so to speak...
an example in my own life....someone keeps calling me at work right, and every time its like "wadya want now" , then it becomes a bit of a comedy, then it really starts to annoy the hell outta me, its like fuck off already, on top of that if you have somebody in the other ear telling you how much of an idiot the guy it then it also increases agrivation....so (just theory again) say in one ear we got beavan/zutaut....they say, "Axl...ya know Robin/BH are pretty cool but did you ever think of calling Slash" and in the other ear you got Beta/Del saying God Slash is a fucking prick, remember the time..." eventually you are gonna reach your breaking point and say...."fuck you and fuck Slash, hes a damn cancer" or somethign...know what i mean?
anyway again yeah its just speculation....the vicious animosity that Axl seems to have for Slash is a bit mind boggling to me
