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Re: Axl = Rock God #11
D-Machine wrote:PaSnow wrote:Bon Jovi is huge. U2/Metallica huge.. nobody should try to deny that. And they do write some pretty good songs, like them or hate them. Better than bands like Nickelback. Anyway, I do have to agree with Russtcb, Grunge did affect BJ. The album with Bed of Roses (can't recall the name) was a moderate hit. But nowhere near the smash that he was in the 80's. BJ was as big as GnR, just his fanbase was about all girls. He was basically a Rock Miley Cyrus, N Sync. Don't get me wrong, they were a legit band, but I'm speaking in terms of POPULARITY he was as big as they were. Slippery When Wet was as common as Hannah Montana, I recall girls in high school wearing those t-shirts endlessly. However, when the 92 album came out, Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder et al owned the music world. The album was successful, I'd compare it to the latest Weezer album in terms of popularity & media impression. I don't know how good the album was, haven't heard it really, but anyway chicks had by then clinged to U2's Achtung Baby, Pearl Jam, & REM. Bon Jovi was pushed aside a little bit. Ask DTJ, she'd probably tell you, he was nowhere near as popular as he was. Having said that, he went away thru the 90's. Did a wierd unheard of indie movie that NOBODY heard of, then in 2000 or whatever had a COMEBACK with These Days & a pretty good song in It's my Life. He didn't fall off the face of the earth like Poison & Warrant, but he wasn't immensly succesful either, I'd say he treaded water thru grunge.
Kurt Cobain ABSOLUTELY belongs on this list. You may not like his music, you may not think he's talented, but with one stomp of the distortion pedal in Teen Spirit he changed music forever. And he was the most popular & recognized figure during the height of grunge. People mothers even knew who he was. As for only being around a couple years, so was Hendrix. Though had he lived he still would have been remembered as the face of grunge.
Someone asked earlier which bands from the 80's could have survived grunge. I think GnR could have had a solid record in 94/95. Black Crowes is a band I wish remained more popular. Southern Harmony was a better album than they received credit for. Tesla, should have survived, not sure they put an album out or if it was good. Cinderella had a more rock oriented record in 1990, which I recall was pretty good & not as much hair metal. it was a little too little to late. Bands like Spin Doctors & Blues Travelers took their place.
If u call selling near 50 million copies worldwide of your new albums treading water, Id sure hate to see what you would all a band that is drowning.
they consistently had the top tours and albums even through the grunge years. the 92 album with Bed of Roses sold 3 million in the US. sure it was a drop from Slippery and New Jersey and grunge of course had some effect, but they did more than tread water.
I hate the whole they are hannah montana N Sync
why?
cause Bon Jovi have been a successful band for 24 going on 25 years now. The other shit u mentioned are trends, 3-5 year phenomenons.
Hell the Backstreet Boys barely even go gold now.
U don't have a 25 year career by accident. U can fake it and fool the fans for a few years, but if u didn't have talent and werent a great band, u wouldn't last 25 years.
They don't have talent and they aren't a great band. They're fucking sellouts.
name me one band that isn't a "sellout"
Re: Axl = Rock God #11
tejastech08 wrote:They don't have talent and they aren't a great band. They're fucking sellouts.
name me one band that isn't a "sellout"
I never understood GnR fans with the attitude to "Sell Out" Bands either....gnr was built to be sellouts....axl kept the name for the same reasons...axl sold the marketing of this album to the highest bidder for pete's sake
Re: Axl = Rock God #11
How were Bon Jovi sellouts? They were a fuckin' glam band (now called hair band).
They were built for mass-market consumption from day one. Their songs were better written and more hooky than Poison, and thus the reason for Bon Jovi's better success. But they're basically the same beast.
Bon Jovi were never sellouts, because they never had anything to sellout. They were never street like GN'R or Metallica or even Nirvana. Bon Jovi was built in a producer's office from the get.
Re: Axl = Rock God #11
I think some(not all) of your guys' opinions on Bon Jovi suck. He's fucking amazing in concert and when I saw him in December 2007 I will tell you this; he had the crowd(guys and girls) in the palm of his hand in a way Axl Rose has never had. And this is in 2007 when he's supposedly way past his prime. This bulshit of Bon Jovi being a sellout or a manufactured band reaks of bitter Gn'R fans who wish Axl was as popular as Bon Jovi is now. Seriously reading the comments regarding Bon Jovi makes me embarssed for some of you. And for the recrod Bon Jovi was not impacted by the "grunge" era here where I live. Bed of Roses was massive, his Crossroads album was owned by more people that I know of than likley any album in highschool. More than Nirvana, More than Pearl Jam and yes more than the Illusion albums. Everybody had that fucking album. These Days had some pretty big songs off it and I remeber people dieing to go see him when he came here durring the grunge era. I really think alot of you might just want to believe they were hurt by grunge. And to anyone who calls Bon Jovi a sell out please explain. They never switched it up the way Metallica did, they never wanted to jump on every fade going the way a certain someone did. Bon Jovi gets all this hate and why? Cause chicks loved and still do love him. Wow.
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Re: Axl = Rock God #11
Bon Jovi was built in a producer's office from the get.
That's why they are sell-out in my opinion. I happen to like Bon Jovi, but the lack of deep lyrics baffles me. Most of Jon's lyrics are empty (sorry D). They're an amazing live band, Jon is a great frontman and songwriter and Ritchie is a great guitarist, but I appreciate sincerity more than a flawless band with nothing to say.
Re: Axl = Rock God #11
I loved Bon Jovi when I was a kid. Slippery When Wet was my first tape, along with Hysteria. I got New Jersey too, loved those albums, still do in fact. Then I got into high school though and it wasn't cool to like Bon Jovi anymore, as a guy at least. Not that I would've been an outcast or anything, I just made up my mind they weren't cool anymore. I've liked a few of their songs since then and actually got to see them live last year. They put on a good show, but it wasn't any better than any Def Leppard show I've been to. Back in the day I'm sure it would've ranked near the top, but I had to sit through those crappy new country rock songs and that was not pleasurable. When they played the hits though, it was fantastic.
Grunge obviously affected Bon Jovi to some extent and EVERY band from the 80's, even GNR. Bon Jovi was able to survive and thrive and they're still huge today, nobody's denying that.
Jon's a fine front man, and he's friends with Howard Stern, which is cool in my book. Just lay off the country Jon.
Re: Axl = Rock God #11
I believe also Jon gets a lot of flack due to the way he looks. People don't want to take him seriously.
Also, how were Bon Jovi "made" in a producer's office when Jon and Richie have wrote or co wrote every single song?
I don't think music has to always be "deep" they are what they are and it is fine by me. I don't always want to hear music that depresses me or is about how bad someone's life sucks etc.
sometimes I love just great upbeat fucking rock anthems and bon jovi are hard to beat when it comes to those.
I just think its funny that the people who shit on Jon's lyrics probably are the same ones that think TIL's lyrics are Dylan like.
on TWAT, Axl rhymes all with all like 200 times.
You Give Love and Bad Medicine are fun cheesy songs but who cares, they aren't meant to change the world.
If u search deep enough in BJ catalog u will find a lot deeper stuff
have u ever listened to "Dry County, jon's solo Blaze of Glory CD is full of great deep lyrics, Miracle, Santa Fe, Bang A Drum, Dyin Ain't Much Of A Livin, Never Say Die, Justice In The Barrel u got other songs off Keep The Faith like I Believe, Bed of Roses is pretty fucking deep, Someday I'll Be Saturday Night, Lie To me, These Days, My Guitar Lies Bleeding In My arms, Its Hard Letting You Go, off These Days........... Undivided, Joey, Right Side of Wrong, Open All Night off Bounce,
I Wanna Be Loved, Welcome to Wherever you Are, Who Says You Can't Go Home, Last Man Standing off Have A Nice Day
The Country record everybody hates has several really really awesome "Deep" Songs called Any Other Day and "Seat Next To You" about Richie's dad dying of cancer and how when u get to heaven, save a seat for me. If u have lost a loved one recently, I guarantee tears.
Bon Jovi have B Side unreleased songs better than most people's greatest hits. There is a song called "The Radio Saved My Life Tonight" That I like as much as anything on CD and it never made a BJ album.
