Stinson Vents at Del James During Dublin Concert

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James Lofton wrote:

faldor wrote:
Good point about the Euro fanbase James. Everyone was under the impression that the band could get away with touring in Europe, as they were more accepting. I always thought that was grossly exaggerated. I can't see how things could go any worse if they toured the US.
I still don't truly understand exactly why things have changed so much since 2006. People didn't get THAT upset then and the same things are going on now and all chaos is breaking loose. Again, the massive negative media attention from Reading/Leeds had to add fuel to the fire. That's the only explanation I can see. And they said there's no such thing as bad press. They were wrong.
Well like I said, people are finally getting sick of it. It happens with more and more people and now entire crowds are starting to turn on them. Doesn't matter whether someone thinks its mob mentality or not. It's obviously a real problem and a pattern is developing.
If he loses Europe, it's over. What's he gonna do, keep bringing this rotating AFD shindig to South America over and over again? Shit, they'll dismantle that statue of Jesus and start pelting them with it piece by piece.
We're reaching the point where the hated "reunionists" are right.....
Gonna make people wait hours on end, Europeans sleeping on the street just cause they want to hear Jungle, etc.?
Time to bring the real thing back and get that top hat wearing, chain smoking motherfucker back onstage. People aren't gonna crawl across broken glass for imitations anymore. Europe was new GNR's bread and butter which is quickly turning into burnt toast. If this keeps up, there's just no way this tour is gonna last.
Either move on or reunite. This middle ground shit isn't cutting the mustard. The Slash chants are back for a reason.
Bump in the road my ass. Name one other artist/band to experience a similar "bump".
Its been said before but needs saying again....
The housekeepers and faux journalists/"road managers" need to go back home and let some professionals operate this shindig before Axl/GNR get run completely into the ground. He pulls this crap here in the States, its over before it even starts.

Welcome to the forum OutlawPete.

Theyare more accepting of the new band, which is why GNR still sell a shitload of tickets.. they aren't accepting of Axl's behavior however. see DL 2006.

monkeychow

OutlawPete wrote:

Just signed up there as I couldn't believe what I was reading.People blaming the Dublin fans?

Welcome, and thank's for posting such a detailed review of the night. Your explination of why there is a curfew was interesting. Shame the city can't work out some transport solution for big events, but it does make sense.

OutlawPete wrote:

That guy is an asshole plain and simple.
Look, people can make excuses for him, but there comes a time when you have to admit that the guy is an attention seeking prima donna.

I was thinking about this topic this morning, and I know this will sound like an excuse. But there must be *some* reason Axl does what he does.

Like, as much as it fucks over every fan in the building, it also fucks himself over too - negative press, loss of long term fans like yourself, potential riots, turning what could be a great positive night of people cheering him and adoring the band, into a bad experience with people booing and throwing stuff, and complaints coming from all sides. It's clearly not in his own interest to be so late either. It's been going on for 20 years, helped fuck up the old band, has created endless drama...meanwhile....in an interview Axl reads like an intelligent man.

So what's going on? Bottom line to me is that NO ONE is that silly, or that MUCH of an asshole to do it intentionally. Like why fuck up his own life, not to mention the shows? It doesn't make sense rationally. It brings me to the conclusion that there must be something in his personality that requires this situation....

Maybe that mentally he just can not always get psyched up to the level he needs to be to peform, and sometimes it takes him a few hours and it's hard to do on a schedule, or that he has some kind of deeper phobia or reason to self-sabotage or something.

I don't know. It's all speculation and I might be widly off. I'm just saying the idea that all this happens because Axl is an asshole doesn't really fly with me. I mean he's being an asshole to himself as much as anyone, and surely at some point no one is a big enough asshole, there has to be some kind of motivation behind it, even if it's not something most people would understand.

Stepvhen

Axl S wrote:

I disagree with you guys about the way Homme handled it, I think that was the wrong way as well. He shoulda said, hey kid don't be a dick do it again and we'll need to have security take you home. Not verbally castrate the kid, all that's doing is bullying the guy. Sure he's a dick, he's also a dumb kid. Getting a whole crowd to go along with you and hate on him just cause your pissed off is the wrong way to go about it. Axl, although going off stage was probably not the best idea, had the best idea in that at least in the video he talked to the crowd quite calmly.

Yeah your right

Aussie

Saw this article written by Mick Wall for Metal Hammer posted by Naupis at mygnr. I actually think it's quite a balanced article from him:

In the aftermath of Reading, Leeds, and Dublin shows, Mick Wall weighs in on Axl Rose and the future of Guns N’ Roses .
Axl Rose goes on stage so late it causes the show to be curtailed. Axl Rose blames everybody except himself. Axl Rose fans go home angry and bitterly disappointed.
Um, is it just me or do those last three sentences induce a feeling of déjà vu? I mean, we really have all been here before, right? So many times, in fact, you begin to wonder if Axl isn’t just enjoying some sort of cosmic joke no one else is weird enough to get.
Even the most ardent Axl fans (a rapidly swindling band of naysayers) must surely admit after these latest episodes in Reading and Leeds that the whole sorry saga went way beyond the realms of ‘boring’ centuries ago, passed through the nebula of ‘unacceptable’ even before Slash and co walked out, and now resides inside a file marked ‘mental’.
And yet… I can’t be the only one either that finds the continuing war Axl seems to be waging against himself – and make no mistake, he’s the one that suffers ultimately, as he sits up all night furiously surfing the internet for mentions of his name, as insiders tell me he does – utterly compelling.
See the pictures of Guns N’ Roses from Reading
Me and Axl are about the same age. We grew up in a world where rock wasn’t just some pre-packaged item on a virtual shelf you could instantly download and try on for size. We came of age in a time and place called the 1970s when rock really was considered the last refuge of the outlaw. You didn’t join a band to make a million bucks. You did so to shake things up. Freak out the straights. Fight the man. Fuck all the rules until they bent so far backwards they broke in two.
It could be argued that when Axl refuses to come onstage until he’s good and ready, tells anyone who tries to impose their will on him to fuck off – including his own band, record company, managers, whoever – that it’s a simple manifestation of the philosophy he and I and a whole generation of others like us grew up believing in. That rock was something you needed to have the right juju to conjure up. Some found it through drugs, sex, black magic, or combos thereof. Whatever gets you through the night, as we used to say back in the very long day and even longer night.
The trouble is, that was then and this is now. And it’s one thing to want to sex-up your act, recharge the vibe, so that you can bring it to the people when you finally hit the stage. But when the magic backfires and all you do is piss off the ones that love you most – the fans – then something is very badly wrong.
There’s a reason Axl didn’t make it to the stage on time in Reading and Leeds and it’s got nothing to do with the spirit of rock’n’roll rebellion – or taking a nap or any pre-show deal he now says he made, as reports have suggested. It’s the same reason, in fact, that Chinese Democracy took 12 years to make and reportedly over $13 million. I think you know what I’m talking about.
Let’s hope Axl feels better one day soon. Or better still, calls Slash…

Aussie

I totally agree with this part too:

The trouble is, that was then and this is now. And it’s one thing to want to sex-up your act, recharge the vibe, so that you can bring it to the people when you finally hit the stage. But when the magic backfires and all you do is piss off the ones that love you most – the fans – then something is very badly wrong.

misterID

Aussie wrote:

Saw this article written by Mick Wall for Metal Hammer posted by Naupis at mygnr. I actually think it's quite a balanced article from him:
In the aftermath of Reading, Leeds, and Dublin shows, Mick Wall weighs in on Axl Rose and the future of Guns N’ Roses .
Axl Rose goes on stage so late it causes the show to be curtailed. Axl Rose blames everybody except himself. Axl Rose fans go home angry and bitterly disappointed.
Um, is it just me or do those last three sentences induce a feeling of déjà vu? I mean, we really have all been here before, right? So many times, in fact, you begin to wonder if Axl isn’t just enjoying some sort of cosmic joke no one else is weird enough to get.
Even the most ardent Axl fans (a rapidly swindling band of naysayers) must surely admit after these latest episodes in Reading and Leeds that the whole sorry saga went way beyond the realms of ‘boring’ centuries ago, passed through the nebula of ‘unacceptable’ even before Slash and co walked out, and now resides inside a file marked ‘mental’.
And yet… I can’t be the only one either that finds the continuing war Axl seems to be waging against himself – and make no mistake, he’s the one that suffers ultimately, as he sits up all night furiously surfing the internet for mentions of his name, as insiders tell me he does – utterly compelling.
See the pictures of Guns N’ Roses from Reading
Me and Axl are about the same age. We grew up in a world where rock wasn’t just some pre-packaged item on a virtual shelf you could instantly download and try on for size. We came of age in a time and place called the 1970s when rock really was considered the last refuge of the outlaw. You didn’t join a band to make a million bucks. You did so to shake things up. Freak out the straights. Fight the man. Fuck all the rules until they bent so far backwards they broke in two.
It could be argued that when Axl refuses to come onstage until he’s good and ready, tells anyone who tries to impose their will on him to fuck off – including his own band, record company, managers, whoever – that it’s a simple manifestation of the philosophy he and I and a whole generation of others like us grew up believing in. That rock was something you needed to have the right juju to conjure up. Some found it through drugs, sex, black magic, or combos thereof. Whatever gets you through the night, as we used to say back in the very long day and even longer night.
The trouble is, that was then and this is now. And it’s one thing to want to sex-up your act, recharge the vibe, so that you can bring it to the people when you finally hit the stage. But when the magic backfires and all you do is piss off the ones that love you most – the fans – then something is very badly wrong.
There’s a reason Axl didn’t make it to the stage on time in Reading and Leeds and it’s got nothing to do with the spirit of rock’n’roll rebellion – or taking a nap or any pre-show deal he now says he made, as reports have suggested. It’s the same reason, in fact, that Chinese Democracy took 12 years to make and reportedly over $13 million. I think you know what I’m talking about.
Let’s hope Axl feels better one day soon. Or better still, calls Slash…

I read it earlier, and I think it was just another chance for him to talk about Axl again.

And its not that he wants a reunion, imo, he's saying that because its a jab at Axl.