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- dave-gnfnr
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Re: Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak
Neemo wrote:as the days, weeks, months go by its much more apparent to me that CD was released for the internet communities
That actually makes a lot of sense considering the tracklist is 90% of what had been gossiped about during the entire time leading up to it's release.
It's like they purposely put out that collection of songs to shut us up and keep us somewhat happy.
More people than just internet fans wanted to hear CD. Axl has been the butt of jokes for years because of the album being so delayed. And if Axl didnt want to release CD yet back in 2008 and he wanted to work on it even more, what does that tell you about him???
If anything CD was released to get out of the thumb for the label. Because now that it got put out and BB paid off all the debt they are off his back.
Axl just handled the whole release very poorly.
Re: Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak
The best buy deal does not make CD a success. Album sales show that CD was a huge failure. 3-4m albums for guns n roses is a huge failure. That is less than TSI, and its much less than their greatest hits album sold. CD is not even in billboard top 200 where as GH was for a few years.
CD wasn't released for the internet community, it was supposed to be the most anticipated album of all time. Most gnr and music fans just didnt like what they heard thus didn't buy it. Claiming it was released for the internet community shows you know it was a huge failure and you are trying to down play that.
CD was Axl trying to prove to the world he was guns n roses, and didn need slash or izzy but he proved that was just not true.
the only reasaon why some people consider it a failure is to compare it to albums released in a different time...and gnr walks a fine line in the nostagia category cuz it only features on guy of the group who made it a success
as for other comments you made, real life doenst always live up to well wishing and fan-boy fantasies ... sure alot of people were interested in hearing CD and some peopel liked it and some people didnt
for me CD wasnt a huge failure...maybe it didnt reach financial expectations...maybe it did..i'm not in a position to judge what the lable wanted to get from the album...for me its a great record and i actually had to really delve into it and take my time in listening because i didnt want all the internet crap and rumors and everythign else to taint my opininon on my review of the material
did CD bring world peace? no....did it outsell every album in the modern music era? no ... do i really care? no...the reason i say that it was released for the internet fanbase is because there is so much crap that we all went through together...extreme highs and lows along the ride to the release..is axl feeling pain on alot of the material? sure? can we pick what some of the songs are about? sure we can...we as a fanbase know entirely too much about the man that fronts this band and his twisted path leading to the release of this album..most of us have probably spent an unhealthy amount of time on these forums refreshing to read the latest posts in a midnight marathon...i know i have...that my freind is why its for the internet fanbase..even if it wasnt the motivation behind the release it ultimately is what i feel that CD represents
as for Axl needing SLash and Izzy (and lets not forget Duff) to release a successful GNR album...well that has been (and will continue to be) a debate for the ages, personally i have learned to accept what is and i refuse to take sides in the matter...instead i get multiple outlets to hear (and buy) new music
if there was anythign i could change it would be to go back and not download any leaks...and ieven managed to avoid downloading the last batch of leaks (and reading the liner notes) leading up to the release of the album...i managed to at least get a few surprises from it...and a final note...its hard to live up to a most antiipated album when dribs and drabs of new songs were leaked for 6 years prior to its release...in some cases it even hindered the reception of material in its final form because some crazy fans listened to the leaks a bazillion times and were so used to the leaks that when the final version was released that it no longer "sounded right" again i listened to most leaks but didnt put them into a regular rotation on a burned disk or an mp3 player..maybe it altered my persception on the final material..maybe not i dunno...but the final release of of all teh leaks and everythign are my preferred versions f the tracks
- monkeychow
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Re: Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak
If Axl respected his fans he would never no show gigs, he would never bitch at his fans in tweets, he would go on at a normal hour when he plays a show. Those are just a few ways he does not respect his fans.
I think it's more complex than that.
One some level i agree, as clearly those things are rude to fans, but at the same time, Axl is who he is, and based on what we've heard over the years, he's obviously a person with a lot going on emotionally at times.
I see these things as kind of the cost of doing business. You know like he's emotional enough to write a song like estranged, but those same emotions come and make him get mad at people. It's just part of the package deal to me. Like how height is an advantage in basketball but kind of fucked in a small car. I see Axl's personality as a huge advantage to him creatively, but probably causes some problems in the overall enviroment.
Anyway...i dont see it as disrespectful, more like parts of his mind are like a wild beast that he has to keep under control and it only works some of the time.
But then I guess we can't know without knowing him.
And going platinum does not mean anything, that is just for units shipped not sold, and some countries you only have to sell 100k to go plantium.
I think that's overstating it.
The IFPI awards platinum europe status for 1 million units sold and CD received this and was also top 5 in 11 european markets.
Source: http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_new … 90129.html
However I don't think anyone would argue that CD wasn't as sucessful worldwide as everyone in the industry would have liked. As bumble said....the expectations on it are unnatural. I personally think that the songs are of a very high standard myself though. While I fully understand the name issue, and the delay and all of the problems. At the same time, for me anyway, I really think it's some of Axl's best work.
Re: Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak
I'm not too sure how much difference a massive promotional blitz would've made for Chinese Democracy. I made the mistake by expecting AC/DC and Metallica like sales from CD. But I forgot to take into consideration the free falling economy and music industry. Album sales are falling fast with each passing day. If CD was released now it wouldn't sell nearly as much as it did. U2 did a full week on Letterman to promote their album, did a massive stadium tour and their album struggled to sell a million copies in the US.
So it's tough to say CD is a failure because it's sold just somewhere near a million copies in the US and 4+ million worldwide with all things considered.
And it seems quite obvious that Axl's relationship with Universal isn't too solid. It almost seemed as if neither of them cared how much the album sold. Both got their money from Best Buy and that's all that really mattered. Neither wanted to go the extra mile to line the others pockets. Money really isn't made off of record sales for artists anyway, so that could be an added incentive for Axl not to work too hard to make money for Universal.
Re: Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak
speaking of success and future success there is a simple way to ensure future success other than a catchy radio friendly song(that us die hards might not even care for?)interviews, late night shows ie...kimmel,letterman,leno. basically the things everyone here already knows. it surely is a great way to lure in the casuals or younger crowd. i dread saying it but also a collaboration with someone really hip right now. in other words, nothing it seems axl would ever do at this point in his career.
Re: Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak
yeah i dont think any of that stuff is gonna happen
as for a song that the rest of us dont care for..well from what iunderstand based onb peoples comments around here (and other forums) the songs hit different peopel in different ways..what i like some of you may hate (ie scraped and IRS) and what alot of you like i may think is crap (ie TIL, Prostitute) it says somethign that the fanbase cant even decide what songs are good and what are bad (i stole your comment buzz 
) but i take that comment in a different context even though it still rings true...Axl tried too hard to please too many instead of jsut doing what he does best...or maybe that where he's coming from...maybe he needed (or wanted) to represent a wide variety of sounds and textures in CD, (though his "little bit of somethign for everyone" comment to RS in 06 makes me doubt it) ya cant please everyone....and at times it appears that axl cant please anyone...so he might as well just do his thing and not worry about anything else....
from the shows i saw in ontario, and from his continued updates via twitter...it appears that Axl is in a good place right now....going into the Japan shows i never in a million years thought that we'd have gotten all we have so far (as far as CD songs played live and updates) its more than we ever have gotten as gnr fans in the modern era so i'm pretty satisfied to be quite honest and i have nothing to compain about at all as far as GnR are concerned
Re: Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak
Jesus Christ, I tried reading this, but damn, it's just the same ol shit written in much longer posts. Like to read your own shit much?
sorry bri...prolly my longest posts in a year 
i'm done now
- dave-gnfnr
- Rep: 16
Re: Its really sad only the new members of Gnr are the ones who speak
yeah i dont think any of that stuff is gonna happen
as for a song that the rest of us dont care for..well from what iunderstand based onb peoples comments around here (and other forums) the songs hit different peopel in different ways..what i like some of you may hate (ie scraped and IRS) and what alot of you like i may think is crap (ie TIL, Prostitute) it says somethign that the fanbase cant even decide what songs are good and what are bad (i stole your comment buzz
from the shows i saw in ontario, and from his continued updates via twitter...it appears that Axl is in a good place right now....going into the Japan shows i never in a million years thought that we'd have gotten all we have so far (as far as CD songs played live and updates) its more than we ever have gotten as gnr fans in the modern era so i'm pretty satisfied to be quite honest and i have nothing to compain about at all as far as GnR are concerned
Axl does not need to please everyone, but he should at least be a smart business and do the common sense things everyone else does to promote an album you worked so hard on for so many years. A little bit can go a long way.
At least get someone to update the offical site. That along would be a huge improvement.
