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Re: The 2010-11 NFL Season Thread
This is why I wanted Trent Edwards. Not even for how bad Chad Henne is, who's okay every other night ( he is NOT the Dolphins answer for a QB), it's because of Tyler Thigpen. Can you get a more worthless backup? Trent could be a solid backup and could press Henne for the job on nights like last night.
Those INT's were ridiculous. It was ugly. Special Teams just destroyed them. But even then, Henne proved nothing to me that he could bring the team back. He couldn't keep it close. He couldn't take the lead, even when it was right there in front of him.
But in better news, Dolphins fired the special teams coach last night. 
Re: The 2010-11 NFL Season Thread
I'm predicting a Patriot loss tonight in Miami. I know that's not really going out on a limb, but I just have no confidence in them winning on the road anymore. And until they prove me wrong, that will continue. I think Miami is a better balanced team to begin with, couple that with the fact that New England has always had trouble winning in Miami and the fact that they haven't been able to win anywhere other than Gillette, Buffalo, and London the last 2 years, it seems pretty clear to me. I'm SHOCKED they're a favorite. Makes no sense to me. Seems like easy money for any gamblers out there.
Of course, I hope I'm dead wrong.
Textbook example of reverse psychology....
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Well, well, well... I hate to say I told yah so, but...
MINNEAPOLIS (AP)—The New England Patriots and Vikings are discussing a trade that would bring star receiver Randy Moss(notes) back to Minnesota.
A league source spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity on Tuesday night because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the negotiations.
The seven-time Pro Bowler was a first-round draft pick of the Vikings in 1998 and spent his first seven seasons in the NFL with Minnesota. He was traded to Oakland in 2005 and languished for two years before being revitalized in New England.
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Moss set an NFL record with 23 touchdown receptions in 2007. But he has said several times this year that he expected 2010 to be his last season with the Patriots.
“When you have done so much and put so much work in, it kind of feels like I am not wanted,” Moss said in September. “I am taking that in stride and playing my final year out and whatever the future holds is what it holds, but it is kind of a bad feeling—feeling not wanted. It is not like my production has gone down.”
Moss caught 98 passes for 1,493 yards in his first season with New England in 2007. He had 69 catches for 1,008 yards and 11 TDs in 2008, when Tom Brady(notes) suffered a season-ending knee injury early in the year and came back with 83 catches for 1,264 yards and 13 scores last season.
Foxsports.com first reported the discussions.
Moss is in the last season of his contract and has made no secret about his desire for a new deal, and believed he would have to go elsewhere to get one.
It was not immediately known if the Vikings had entered into discussions with Moss for a long-term deal or if that would affect his desire to be traded back to the place where his career began.
The Vikings sure could use him.
Pro Bowl receiver Sidney Rice(notes) will miss at least the first six weeks of the season because of a hip injury and Percy Harvin(notes) has struggled all season with migraine headaches.
Without the deep threat that he had in Rice, quarterback Brett Favre’s(notes) production has dropped dramatically. The Vikings have lost two of their first three games and their receiving group lacks the prototypical big-play receiver who can out-jump smaller cornerbacks for passes down the field.
That’s Moss in a nutshell.
Moss immediately energized a lagging franchise when he was chosen in the first round in 1998. He averaged 19.0 yards per catch and hauled in 17 TDs as a rookie to help the team reach the NFC title game. His first season coincided with a string of sellouts at the drab Metrodome that remains going to this day.
The move would no doubt delight Favre, who will turn 41 later this month. He openly campaigned for the Packers to acquire Moss toward the end of his time in Green Bay. But the Patriots ultimately ended up parting with just a fourth-round pick to pry Moss away from the Raiders, and Favre privately fumed at the swing and miss by the Green Bay front office.
Favre was traded to the Jets a year later and signed a two-year deal with the Vikings last season."
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It would take Moss 2 seconds to learn the playbook. Every play: Just go deep.
How much you want to bet 100% of this is all Favre's doing. The favre/Moss connection has been in the making for A LONG TIME.
Re: The 2010-11 NFL Season Thread
With the Bears OL and Cutler's injury, the Vikes have a real chance to jump right back into the NFC North and playoff picture. With both NFC West and NFC East leaders being at 2-2, it's a good chance that the Wild Cards come from the other 2 divisions (South and North). ATL is a contender along with CHI and GB for these spots. Anyone remember 2006 where it seemed like half the teams had a chance at the playoffs? It looks like parity will reign supreme again in the NFL. It makes sense for both teams to get a deal done as it looks like Moss is in one of those mentally checked out phases (see end of Raider tenure). I'm sure war is stoked about the rumors.
Wasn't mentioned but Marshawn Lynch got traded to the Seahawks for a 4th rounder in 2011 and a fifth or sixth rounder in 2012. He will get most of the carries. SEA released Julius Jones today who should draw interest in GB.
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It's kinda hard to make an argument that play is at a high level when one division has a whole bunch of teams playing ok or subpar football and leading the division at 2-2. And at 0-4 a team (SF) is not considered out of it yet. Hell, you can start a 5th string qb and still win a game.
In this case, the regular season has less meaning because as long as you get in, you have as good of a chance at winning than the team that won the division or posted the best record in the league. It's baffling why the NFL is considering an 18 game season (outside of monetary gain); weeks 16-17 only have a few significant games where both teams are playing hard. The Colts and Saints (and others) treated those games like preseason games.
My interest is dwindling for reasons entirely different though. Shitty crappy coaching featuring Jeff Fisher is my excuse.
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faldor wrote:I'm predicting a Patriot loss tonight in Miami. I know that's not really going out on a limb, but I just have no confidence in them winning on the road anymore. And until they prove me wrong, that will continue. I think Miami is a better balanced team to begin with, couple that with the fact that New England has always had trouble winning in Miami and the fact that they haven't been able to win anywhere other than Gillette, Buffalo, and London the last 2 years, it seems pretty clear to me. I'm SHOCKED they're a favorite. Makes no sense to me. Seems like easy money for any gamblers out there.
Of course, I hope I'm dead wrong.
Textbook example of reverse psychology....
I wish I could say I meant to do that, but I honestly thought they'd lose. I didn't see that performance coming from a million miles away. Total domination in that second half. Holding the Dolphins to 14 points. Unheard of with THAT defense. They just looked great, plain and simple. Couldn't have played any better really. They looked determined and committed, and it paid dividends. I'm not booking my Super Bowl tickets yet, but they seem to be headed in the right direction. They are still going to have games where their defense can't stop my mom from throwing for 300 yards and 4 TD's, but if they can continue to grow and make big plays in key situations they could be alright.
As for the Moss trade. I was SHOCKED when I heard that driving home tonight. Nothing is official and sources with and close to the Patriots are denying everything. But there's A LOT of smoke to this deal. I think it's apparent the teams have been talking, the only question is if they can agree to terms. If he is traded, I cannot wait for that Halloween game at Gillette when Randy will take the field in a Viking uniform. That should be quite the scene. Of course he'll probably connect with Favre for a couple TD's that night. And I won't like that one bit.
IF the deal falls apart somehow, I hope Randy doesn't quit on his team as he's done in the past with the Vikings and Raiders respectively. I would prefer to keep Randy obviously, but only if he's on the same page as everyone else.
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The deal is done. Moss is a Viking.
You know, everyone is talking about all the draft picks the Pats have but this coming draft is probably the weakest I've seen in a while. It's not very deep. I think Patrick Peterson (CB - LSU) will be a superstar and the Alabama DT (if he declares) but with how aggressive Seattle and Philly have been in the draft recently, this might not be a good deal for New England. Especially for the needs they have.
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Re: The 2010-11 NFL Season Thread
It's kinda hard to make an argument that play is at a high level when one division has a whole bunch of teams playing ok or subpar football and leading the division at 2-2. And at 0-4 a team (SF) is not considered out of it yet. Hell, you can start a 5th string qb and still win a game.
In this case, the regular season has less meaning because as long as you get in, you have as good of a chance at winning than the team that won the division or posted the best record in the league. It's baffling why the NFL is considering an 18 game season (outside of monetary gain); weeks 16-17 only have a few significant games where both teams are playing hard. The Colts and Saints (and others) treated those games like preseason games.
Sure, the NFC West is weak (the NFC East is kinda weak too) but other than that everything is competitive with at least two worthy teams. Placement in the playoffs is a huge factor - the two teams that had home field advantage through the playoffs last year were the teams to win their conferences. Hard to say it doesn't make a difference.
There's always upsets and injuries and other things that can take a top team down early, but making the playoffs is difficult, especially compared to the NHL, NBA, or NCAA basketball/baseball. The NFL's regular season is VERY significant especially in comparison to other sports.
To misterid, Henne's INTs were the type Edwards is infamous for (although the ball passed the line of scrimmage so maybe they're a bit better decisions) so he wouldn't have helped the Dolphins at all.
Bills trading Lynch isn't really anything, the run game in Buffalo will produce about the same, the draft pick will probably bust. Oh well. The Moss trade I really don't understand, especially if NE thinks it's going to compete for a Super Bowl this year.
