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Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
Naltav wrote:As usually when things go a little tits up, the haters on here come out guns blazing...
Everyone going to a GNR gig knows the show will run late. The organizer coming out and "challenging" Axl/GNR the way he did, was not a smart move. Same goes for GNR, going on late on purpose, if that was the case, was not a smart move.
Del James posted a pic of Dizzy on the tourbus on the way to Leeds, so they're obviously intending to play that gig.
When things like this goes down, there is obviously stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know. So for the haters to be as all-knowing, as they've been acting in this thread, is just a waste of your own time. Think about that... You're actually spending your own precious time twisting your brain on an event you didn't even attend. That's prolly more stupid than the pissing-match between the organizer and Axl.
It's been said many times over the past years, and it's still true. If Axl/GNR rubs you so insanly the wrong way, stop getting involved! It very simple... After soooo many years, your wierd fascination to predict doom and gloom and willingness to spend time on messageboards, is just sad... I mean, take a moment and add up all the minutes/hours you've wasted. THAT would rub me the wrong way!
You sir are brainwashed.
No, I'm not. But you sir, have a really wierd fascination.
My experience at the Bergen and Oslo gigs earlier this year was far from what I hoped for, and I said so on this very forum. I just don't let the hate consume me.
You can call me and other fans brainwashed, idiots or whatever. But that doesn't make it so. Just makes your wierd obsession seem that more useless.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
I'm not a hater, but going on an hour late is bullshit. Plain and simple. No excuse. I thought how he ended the show was cool. But going on late... Not cool. And its pretty much made my mind up that I won't be seeing them if they tour around me, which I was planning to do.
Like jarmo attacking anyone who dared say Axl went on late on purpose (while deleting posts) and telling people not to make assumptions until we know what caused the delay... Now he's sucking Richard's balls (taking time away from his busy schedule of licking Axl's asshole) about Axl being "rock n roll" and that Axl basically went on late because he wanted to. Lap dog.
Sorry, I love the band, but I'm not going to be anyones lap dog.
Ah, the voice of reason. 
I've taken the "haters" side in this debate, but let me tell this to you, don't run around calling people with other opinions for "brainwashed". In fact, I think Bono called me that once, and I got pissed off on that more than the fact we disagreed. In the end, it just becamse a discussion from my side trying to defend my honor and opinions without being called ridiculous things in return. Don't try to force them over to "our" side, everyone at this board have their heads on straight. They're not little drops of HTGTH ass kissing extravaganza coming over. If you wanna get to those, go somewhere else. I'm sure Jarmo will ban your ass in a nano second, so I understand the problem.
I am a GNR fan, but like misterID says, I'm not anyones lap dog. I defend Axl when I see fit, and I give him shit when I feel it's the right thing to do. Like this Reading crap. The world aint black and white.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
Guns N' Roses hit back at Reading boss
Guns N' Roses have claimed they had the power pulled on them last night at Reading due to a personal grudge against them by festival boss Melvin Benn.
Despite arriving on-stage an hour late and having their curfew extended by an unprecedented 30 minutes, the headliners are now claiming that their set was cut short as the result of a historical vendetta against them and had less to do with council legislations as officially stated by the organisers today. Click here for our report of the show.
The sensational accusation was made by new guitarist DJ Ashba on his Facebook Page, posting: "They pulled the power, but failed to kill the connection as 90,000 people sang Paradise City."
Responding to fans' comments, he subsequently added: "Apparently the promoter has had a personal grudge with GN'R stemming from 8 years ago, if this was the case why book the band? He knows our show. Let me guess... To take our fans money and then not allow us to give them a show that they pay...ed (sic) for."
The '8 years ago' refers, presumably, to GNR's headline appearance at Leeds Festival in 2002, when they once again went on an hour late and Benn was forced to obtain a license extension during the show. On that occasion the band were allowed to complete their set in full. However, the Festival Republic boss had stated publicly last week that this would not happen if the band came on late this time at either Reading or Leeds.
On this, Ashba notes: "The promoter was already being a cocky f$#k in the press before we arrived, so yes we went on a little late, and for this we apologies (sic)."
He extends his personal attack against Benn, stating: "This was clearly not a curfew thing because after cutting our power like a selfish money grubbing (sic) prick, he allowed music blasting through out the venue till the early morning. For us this was all about the fans, the show and the music. For the promoter it was all about the money and not about the fans or the music. Our fans payed (sic) to see a show, and that's why we showed up, too give them just that."
In defense of the festival organisers, Virtual Festivals founder and self-confessed Guns N' Roses obsessive Steve Jenner, who was in the front row for the whole show, says: "DJ Ashba is doing his duty and rallying behind his team, as he should, but his comments are well wide of the mark."
On the grudge accusations, Steve adds: "Reading's license permits amplified music to run later in certain areas of the site and smaller arenas, but explicitly prohibits this from taking place on the main stage. Furthermore, we have seen Melvin and the Festival Republic team bend over backwards to accommodate the nuances of this band, including extending the license to midnight - something I have never experienced before at this event and you can bet that Arcade Fire and Blink 182 won't be getting the same treatment.
He concludes: "There's no grudge against Guns N' Roses and rather than point the finger elsewhere they'd do better to acknowledge that fans have had enough of being treated so shabbily. I haven't read or heard one good word from anyone else about that show last night - the worst headline performance I have seen in the 11 years that VF has been covering festivals. I was embarassed to be a Guns N' Roses fan and desperately hope they can salvage a trace of their former glory at Leeds."
Despite Axl Rose claiming on-stage at Reading that their Leeds show was off "due to tonight", representatives of the festival have confirmed that the band is still scheduled to headline.
Stay tuned to VF to find out what happens and follow the rest of the action from both Reading and Leeds festivals.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
Guns N' Roses hit back at Reading boss
Guns N' Roses have claimed they had the power pulled on them last night at Reading due to a personal grudge against them by festival boss Melvin Benn.
Despite arriving on-stage an hour late and having their curfew extended by an unprecedented 30 minutes, the headliners are now claiming that their set was cut short as the result of a historical vendetta against them and had less to do with council legislations as officially stated by the organisers today. Click here for our report of the show.
The sensational accusation was made by new guitarist DJ Ashba on his Facebook Page, posting: "They pulled the power, but failed to kill the connection as 90,000 people sang Paradise City."
Responding to fans' comments, he subsequently added: "Apparently the promoter has had a personal grudge with GN'R stemming from 8 years ago, if this was the case why book the band? He knows our show. Let me guess... To take our fans money and then not allow us to give them a show that they pay...ed (sic) for."
The '8 years ago' refers, presumably, to GNR's headline appearance at Leeds Festival in 2002, when they once again went on an hour late and Benn was forced to obtain a license extension during the show. On that occasion the band were allowed to complete their set in full. However, the Festival Republic boss had stated publicly last week that this would not happen if the band came on late this time at either Reading or Leeds.
On this, Ashba notes: "The promoter was already being a cocky f$#k in the press before we arrived, so yes we went on a little late, and for this we apologies (sic)."
He extends his personal attack against Benn, stating: "This was clearly not a curfew thing because after cutting our power like a selfish money grubbing (sic) prick, he allowed music blasting through out the venue till the early morning. For us this was all about the fans, the show and the music. For the promoter it was all about the money and not about the fans or the music. Our fans payed (sic) to see a show, and that's why we showed up, too give them just that."
In defense of the festival organisers, Virtual Festivals founder and self-confessed Guns N' Roses obsessive Steve Jenner, who was in the front row for the whole show, says: "DJ Ashba is doing his duty and rallying behind his team, as he should, but his comments are well wide of the mark."
On the grudge accusations, Steve adds: "Reading's license permits amplified music to run later in certain areas of the site and smaller arenas, but explicitly prohibits this from taking place on the main stage. Furthermore, we have seen Melvin and the Festival Republic team bend over backwards to accommodate the nuances of this band, including extending the license to midnight - something I have never experienced before at this event and you can bet that Arcade Fire and Blink 182 won't be getting the same treatment.
He concludes: "There's no grudge against Guns N' Roses and rather than point the finger elsewhere they'd do better to acknowledge that fans have had enough of being treated so shabbily. I haven't read or heard one good word from anyone else about that show last night - the worst headline performance I have seen in the 11 years that VF has been covering festivals. I was embarassed to be a Guns N' Roses fan and desperately hope they can salvage a trace of their former glory at Leeds."
Despite Axl Rose claiming on-stage at Reading that their Leeds show was off "due to tonight", representatives of the festival have confirmed that the band is still scheduled to headline.
Stay tuned to VF to find out what happens and follow the rest of the action from both Reading and Leeds festivals.
he's bang on the money.
what a clusterfuck of a band this is.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
Bono wrote:faldor wrote:Give me a break! If you want to save your ass and make sure the band goes on when they're scheduled, there are far better ways to do it then going straight to the press and telling them. Try telling someone associated with the band first.
I realize GNR isn't blameless in this situation, but let's not make the promoters out to be saints here. Ridiculous!
Honestly Faldor this is such a stupid fucking naive comment I can't believe you even said it. You honestly think that the promoters never had the discussion with Gn'R or it's management? Dude c'mon give your heada shake man. The promoter obviously went to the press knowing full well what might happen. By puting it out there EVERYONE knew the consequences and EVERYONE was in the know of what was allowed and what wasn't. The only person to blame is Axl fucking Roise for thinking he was above the law. The guys is a douche and it's laughable that some of you defend him or even try to deflect the blame or part of the blame onto others. We ALL knew what the deal was yet the only one stupid enough to think it was a bluff was the douchebag singer himself.
I don't know if they had the discussion with GNR management, no. I assume they'd be smart enough to do so. But even IF they did, there's still no reason to go blab to the press that "if they don't go on when they're supposed to, we'll pull the plug." There's really no excuse for that in my mind. I'm sorry. Call me what you will.
For comparisons sake. Tony Dungy recently blasted Rex Ryan for his use of foul language to his team on the "Hard Knocks" show on HBO. Rex took offense to those comments and wouldn't you know the very next episode the expletives were flying more than normal. Listen, you push someone who might not be the most stable of human beings, you know there's a good chance it might not end up in your favor.
So yes, I do put some blame on the promoter.
And thanks for pointing out my "stupid fucking naive comment". You got any more for me? I'll take it as long as you can dish it my friend.
Actually, you're wrong. There are two big reasons to go public with it - especially if they got the impression privately that Axl wasn't interested in following the rules. One is to let the audience know what to expect so they don't riot; the other is to protect itself legally from whatever the fallout was going to be.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
Why are people calling the promoter stupid. They've organised Reading/Leeds for years now and haven't had too much trouble aside from the stuff you usually get at festivals. The promoter was asked in an interview/press conference about the Leeds thing from 02 with GN'R and what would happen this time and he said that the rules are even stricter now, the power would be cut if they played too late.
They managed to give GN'R not just past 11, until 12 before the power was cut. That's pretty much a whole extra hour! Only person at fault here is Axl. Here's what woulda been rock n roll.
Going on stage on time. Playing a huge huge show and the power being cut as they want to play more. Then doing that sit in thing. Going on an hour late after your frontman has tweeted two hours before when he his due to go on that he is backstage at Reading is an insult to fans.
This band isn't defensible.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
NME Video from the festival with fan reactions: http://www.nme.com/news?bcpid=875714710 … 7294140001
None are really diehards, they're normal festival goers and these there thoughts. Kinda agree with the "haters" in that video tbh.
Re: Reading, United Kingdom - August 27, 2010 (Reading Festival)
Actually, you're wrong. There are two big reasons to go public with it - especially if they got the impression privately that Axl wasn't interested in following the rules. One is to let the audience know what to expect so they don't riot; the other is to protect itself legally from whatever the fallout was going to be.
You could argue though, taking this issue to the press got the crowd against Guns N' Roses from the start. They were warned that there was a curfew and the plug would be pulled, so in turn they were none too pleased when GNR came on late. That in and of itself could've started a riot.
I see what you're saying, but it could've worked against them as well. Luckily it didn't and the fans handled themselves well.
