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Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
Musically yes
Lyrically no
I never really examined the lyrics. Just thought it was a cool tune back in the day. I guess that was the topic of discussion going on?
Edit - Just read the lyrics for the first time I think. I never realized the song was about using heroin. I was a naive 13 year old when I heard that song so I never bothered to learn I guess. I don't really see any problem with the lyrics for that song. Seem pretty straight forward to me.
Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
Great "song". It's the same thing. Some lines are even recycled.
Cornell's drug-oriented songs are basically the same. So are Jerry Cantrell's. And Axl seems to have a thing for doing the same unrequited love songs over and over.
The point is, it was brilliant the first time. As for who does what better. I think Axl & Chris are on an even keel lyrics-wise.
In other words, one or all of these three things are true....
You didn't read the lyrics.
You've never used drugs, and if so, did it alone and never thought of the consequences.
Your Cornell hatred is too deep to properly analyze the tracks. 
Those songs are complete opposites. The first is clearly discussing someone else descending into drug use following in their mom's footsteps and him being forced to watch it happen(as you know, the song is about Andrew Wood).
The second song is from his own perspective as an addict sitting around his drug dealer's house for hours and then the experience of consuming the drugs and how it really makes you feel.
I have heard countless drug songs over the years and none of them "nail" that feeling like Cornell did. I have almost cried listening to the song and its not even really supposed to be a sad song. It's just the plain and simple truth and he has a talent of putting that reality into words.
Come on in and take me on an override
Been stuck inside and up all night at Dave's
Now trouble's far away, mother's in her cage
And nothings gonna pinch this nerve of mineClose the door and pull the shades
And climb the walls
Feel medicine heal the lines of age
I'm here and now I'm gone
I'm there and far beyond
And nothing's gonna pinch this nerve of mineBreathe and take it in and gently blow it out
Drink it down and swallow hard and gaze
Hold the potion up
Stare your shadow down
Remember to forget and then rename your shame
That is powerful shit right there. Forget the drug theme for a second, this is a borderline suicide song and I wouldn't be surprised if at least one person in the world killed themselves after listening to it.
The "wanna make it right" line is a killer as well, and love how it's dispersed between the rest of the verses, and screams it in desperation towards the end of the song. You don't "make it right". You only wish to "make it right". Everything you do and feel is the exact opposite of right, and he admits this to himself with "Remember to forget and then rename your shame".
Find me one drug song on the level of this. Any song because I know there are no GNR songs about drugs on this level.
She used to love her heroin
But now she's underground
So you stay out late at night
And you do your coke for free
Drivin' your friends crazy
With your life's insanity
This song laughs at that.....
Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
Darkness at the break of noon
Shadows even the silver spoon
The handmade blade, the child'™s balloon
Eclipses both the sun and moon
To understand you know too soon
There is no sense in trying.
Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn
Suicide remarks are torn
From the fool'™s gold mouthpiece the hollow horn
Plays wasted words, proves to warn
That he not busy being born is busy dying.
Temptation'™s page flies out the door
You follow, find yourself at war
Watch waterfalls of pity roar
You feel to moan but unlike before
You discover that you'™d just be one more
Person crying.
So don'™t fear if you hear
A foreign sound to your ear
It'™s alright, Ma, I'™m only sighing.
As some warn victory, some downfall
Private reasons great or small
Can be seen in the eyes of those that call
To make all that should be killed to crawl
While others say don'™t hate nothing at all
Except hatred.
Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Make everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It'™s easy to see without looking too far
That not much is really sacred.
While preachers preach of evil fates
Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to hundred-dollar plates
Goodness hides behind its gates
But even the president of the United States
Sometimes must have to stand naked.
An'™ though the rules of the road have been lodged
It'™s only people'™s games that you got to dodge
And it'™s alright, Ma, I can make it.
Advertising signs they con
You into thinking you'™re the one
That can do what'™s never been done
That can win what'™s never been won
Meantime life outside goes on
All around you.
You lose yourself, you reappear
You suddenly find you got nothing to fear
Alone you stand with nobody near
When a trembling distant voice, unclear
Startles your sleeping ears to hear
That somebody thinks they really found you.
A question in your nerves is lit
Yet you know there is no answer fit
To satisfy, insure you not to quit
To keep it in your mind and not forget
That it is not he or she or them or it
That you belong to.
Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to.
For them that must obey authority
That they do not respect in any degree
Who despise their jobs, their destinies
Speak jealously of them that are free
Cultivate their flowers to be
Nothing more than something they invest in.
While some on principles baptized
To strict party platform ties
Social clubs in drag disguise
Outsiders they can freely criticize
Tell nothing except who to idolize
And then say God bless him.
While one who sings with his tongue on fire
Gargles in the rat race choir
Bent out of shape from society'™s pliers
Cares not to come up any higher
But rather get you down in the hole
That he'™s in.
But I mean no harm nor put fault
On anyone that lives in a vault
But it'™s alright, Ma, if I can'™t please him.
Old lady judges watch people in pairs
Limited in sex, they dare
To push fake morals, insult and stare
While money doesn'™t talk, it swears
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony.
While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer'™s pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death'™s honesty
Won'™t fall upon them naturally
Life sometimes must get lonely.
My eyes collide head-on with stuffed
Graveyards, false gods, I scuff
At pettiness which plays so rough
Walk upside-down inside handcuffs
Kick my legs to crash it off
Say okay, I have had enough
What else can you show me?
And if my thought-dreams could be seen
They'™d probably put my head in a guillotine
But it'™s alright, Ma, it'™s life, and life only.
They are all children at Dylan's feet.
Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
Now that's closer to the level I'm talking about.
Never heard that song by the way. Just checked the Dylan greatest hits album I downloaded a few weeks ago, and this isn't on it.
I'll go cherry pick it from a different album on Pirate Bay.
Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_It_All_Back_Home
you don't cherry pick dylan.....that's only one of a...lot.
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Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
Find me one drug song on the level of this. Any song because I know there are no GNR songs about drugs on this level.
All that would really prove though is that Chris knows more about drugs than Axl. Not that Axl would be a stranger to drugs, but that he doesn't feel deeply enough about them for his best ever works to have been about drugs. Maybe Axl's best song is about something else you know. It doesn't make either of them a better song writer. I think they're both amazing.
I'll say that for my money I prefer Axl because he's never put out a song I didn't find something I liked in, but then the price of that is that he puts out hardly anything compared to Chris, so it's statististicly more likely for cornell to disapoint me when he comes up with an album every few years or whatever.
This is quite a silly conversation is some ways though. Like how can there be any doubt that either of them is amazing? The first audioslave album alone is enough in my book to cement Cornell as one of the best lyrisicts of his generation. It's beyond question. Meanwhile, Axl's written some massive hits, and appart from that even people that don't care for his antics overall will usually grant he has very deep and interesting lyrics overall. It's insane to question the ability of either man.
Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
Yeah, Dylan is one of those artists I never really got into. Probably because my parents didn't listen to him so I wasn't exposed to the music. Kinda funny though as my mom and dad listened to just about everything BUT Dylan. 
My mom does have this strange and very strong dislike of Rod Stewart though.
Yesterday To Tomorrow lyrics
Beauty is what the eyes behold
And you burn brighter than most
I chased you through the midnight streets
To be where I could speak freelyI didn't care what tomorrow held
I felt the world turning only for us
Only bliss now for you and me
Rise up let life's kiss send us reelingAnd unlike the times before
From yesterday comes tomorrow
When life comes alive the past moves aside
No regrets and no remorseWe have more than everything
More than man or machine
More than luck
More than fiction
Higher than any religionAnd unlike the times before
From yesterday comes tomorrow
When life comes alive the past moves aside
No regrets and no remorseWe'll squeeze the blood out of life
And say goodnight to the silver of old
Even when wrong we're right
Far beyond the world of diamonds and gold
I've come to realize
Where happiness lies
I want you to know I knowAnd unlike the times before
From yesterday comes tomorrow
When life comes alive the past moves aside
No regrets no remorse
That is a mind blowing tune, musically and lyrically.
This song here absolutely floored me when I was 18. Not the first single from the record, but it's the first song from the album my local radio station in MO played when they got their promo copy of the album....it actually makes me wonder in hindsight if this was supposed to be the 1st single but was changed to Spoonman at the last minute.
Whatsoever I've feared has come to life
Whatsoever I've fought off became my life
Just when everyday seemed to greet me with a smile
Sunspots have faded
And now I'm doing time
Cause I fell on black days
Whomsoever I've cured I've sickened now
Whomsoever I've cradled I've put you down
I'm a search light soul they say
But I can't see it in the night
I'm only faking when I get it right
Cause I fell on black days
How would I know
That this could be my fate
So what you wanted to see good has made you blind
And what you wanted to be yours has made it mine
So don't you lock up something that you wanted to see fly
Hands are for shaking
No, not tying
No, not tying
I sure don't mind a change
But I fell on black days
How would I know
That this could be my fate
Axl is a great songwriter as well, but he's much more "shallow" as a writer than Cornell. Axl touches the surface while Cornell digs much deeper. Sometimes too deep. Axl as a lone songwriter keeps treading the same ground, and Cornell is willing to broaden his horizons.
There are actually a few Axl/GNR type songs on Cornell's resume, and if you aren't much of a Soundgarden fan and/or never heard these two songs, just read the words and you can probably picture Axl singing them.....
I'm sittin' in a magic hat
With smoke and mirrors
And tire rubber fires
Watch me disappear
What made it slow you down
Sucking on a ball and chain
Another motherfucker goes down the drain
Hard headed fuck you all
Just add it up to the hod rod death toll
Sick in the head sick in the mouth
And I can't hear a word you say
Not a bit, and I don't give a shit
I got the glass, I got the steel
I got the love to hate
All I need is your head on a stake
Hard headed fuck you all
Just add it on the hot rod death toll
and....
Take, if you want a slice
If you want a piece
If it feels alright
Break, if you like the sound
If it gets you up
If it brings you down
Share, if it makes you sleep
If it sets you free
If it helps you breathe
Don't come over here
And piss on my gate
Save it just keep it
Off my wave
Cry, if you want to cry
If it helps you see
If it clears your eyes
Hate, if you want to hate
If it keeps you safe
If it makes you brave
Pray, if you want to pray
If you like to kneel
If you like to lay
Don't come over here
And piss on my gate
Save it just keep it
Off my wave
Keep it off my wave
Keep it off my wave
Keep it off my wave
My wave
Cry, if you want to cry
If it helps you see
If it clears your eyes
Hate, if you want to hate
If it keeps you safe
If it makes you brave
Take, if you want a slice
If you want a piece
If it feels alright
Don't come over here
And piss on my gate
Save it just keep it
Off my wave
Keep it off my wave
Keep it off my wave
My wave
Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
I'll say that for my money I prefer Axl because he's never put out a song I didn't find something I liked in, but then the price of that is that he puts out hardly anything compared to Chris, so it's statististicly more likely for cornell to disapoint me when he comes up with an album every few years or whatever.
I think you hit the nail on the head of this discussion. Axl has a very small body of work, specifically for someone so high profile. In fact, I cant think of someone of his caliber with a smaller discog that didn't die young, and that says a lot about him as an artist(good and bad).
Cornell has so many releases(solo and with two bands) that it's easy for anyone to say certain songs(or albums) suck. Hell, I don't even like some of his material. When he's "on", he is fucking on and there's no one better. I could say the same for Axl, but he's very rarely "on". While they are both my favorite singers(let's place M.I.A. in the middle of those two), Cornell's body of work is more impressive. This may be due to the sheer quantity of it and how much gold is dispersed throughout. Axl went from 93-08 with NOTHING. That is the equivalent of Cornell killing Soundgarden in 1994 and not returning until his solo album Scream. Please. He deserves brownie points just for being able to move on from Soundgarden and still kicking major amounts of ass.
You're right though....that first Audioslave record is just a MONSTER album.
This is quite a silly conversation is some ways though. Like how can there be any doubt that either of them is amazing
Obviously they are both amazing. I cant even imagine these guys collaborating. I wish Axl had asked Cornell to get involved with Chinese in some aspect during his period of downtime from his first solo record until he hooked up with Audioslave(99-01).
I just think it's funny that someone has the nerve to say he's a shitty writer and vocalist when he's pretty much regarded as one of the best in both departments not just by fans, but his peers as well(including Axl and Slash).
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Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
Best Drug Song ever is Sister Morphine by the Rolling Stones..
