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Re: 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour
I am okay with Axl doing nothing. As far as I'm concerned, he's written one song worth a damn in the past 19 years. I won't lose any sleep if this band goes away forever, nor will most other people.
Yeah, that's pretty strong statement.
Nothing means nothing. Nothing is 94-2000. No tours, no album. Nothing. It was boring as fuck.
In ten years Axl have toured, released an album and keeps working on more.
To see the band go away WILL take away something, and I'd rather see they stick around. Especially Axl. I'd rather have something than nothing. Things won't be as fun with everything buried. To have such an attitude is for me odd. Entertainment is always better than NO entertainment. And I'm not speaking about tours or albums, but also the community. Like it or not, Axl and GNR keeps this alive. I wouldn't bother at all if Axl went into hiding tomorrow.
To me the worst possible outcome is Axl doing nothing.
Of course it is. You can't deny the fact that Axl have been doing stuff the past 10 years. He's been doing way more than what a dead person would have done.
Without GNR and Axl active, this board wouldn't make much sense. Neither would others. It has (this and other forums) given me plenty of entertainment the past 10 years. To have such a "don't care" attitude is a bit odd, all things considered.
Re: 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour
Axl doing worthless stuff is the same as nothing. In the past 16 years, Axl has made 1 song that I enjoy and cancelled the only show within driving distance for me. As far as I'm concerned, Axl has been doing nothing. 94 to 2000 is the same as 2000 - 2010 for me with the exception of TWAT. Maybe that will change in the future, but I am guessing it won't unless he moves out of the mid to late 90s with his musical tastes.
Yes, it's a strong statement, but it's how I feel. It's great that some people love all these songs...that means nothing to me. It also means nothing to a lot of GnR fans. I'm hardly alone. If a lot of others didn't feel the same way I do, they would have been selling out shows in the US left and right.
This is the important part of my statement and both of you completely ignored it:
People are staying away because they are already not getting what they want, so why do they care if they get nothing instead? They aren't going anyway, so who really cares if there's a show or not. The threat of no Axl isn't really a threat at all.
You are trying to make this about me and it isn't about me. It's about a lot of people that feel the same way I do. People don't care about shows that they weren't going to go to anyway. People don't care about albums they aren't going to buy anyway. People care about Axl and Slash in GnR and until that happens, none of this really matters at all to them. You think my opinion was strong, but it's a lot less strong than most people's opinion of the situation.
Think of it this way. As much as most of the people at the GnR websites love the band in one way or another, why do you think posting is down all over the place in such an active time for the band? Why do you think it's the same few posting on topics instead of the variety that there used to be?
It's all out there for you to see, but you're trying so hard not to see it because you don't like what you'll have to admit you see. Very few people care about this band. A few more tolerate it. Many others are sticking around hoping that the old band gets back together, and a few others hope the old band never gets back together solely to protect the real band's legacy. Everybody else is indifferent. They just don't care either way.
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Re: 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour
Yeah I get that a lot of people are not into Chinese, but the point was heckling Axl doesn't get the reunion people want, all it does is get you nothing. Now if you wouldn't miss the loss of chinese that's fine, but I don't see how having *nothing* is ever better than having *something* even if most of the something you don't care for. Hell, even those that dislike it get something out of it in the sence they can analysie how much it sucks compared to old gnr or whatever. If axl quits tomorrow, those of us who still enjoy his music would suffer a loss, and there is no benifit to those who desire him to play with slash. That's my point. Having nothing doesn't help either type of fan.
Re: 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour
wow, buzz. to say that axl has done nothing or may as well do nothing is as silly as you, again, speaking on behalf of all gnr fans when you say that basically people only care about gnr with slash in it. personally, i wish that gnr never would have broken up. i enjoy cd less than i probably did uy1 or appetite back in the day but right now it is one of the better rock cd's anyone has made in the last 10 years IMO and, realisitcally, a reunited gnr has little to no chance of making an album better than cd in substance IMO. would it outsell cd? ofcourse. but would you be happy with a number one album with no twat in it? i wouldn't. the fact that you only like the one song on cd sucks for you as a gnr fan that is thinking of how much more could've been had they not broken up. i feel bad for that but there are people that like new gnr and the number one consumer of music consists of a lot of young people that don't pay attention to gnr because of their age and genre of music. that would not change with a reunion. the seperation of gnr is what is fueling whatever output they are producing as musicians. bring them together again and you have the a bunch of tired musicians with the same issues they had when they broke up, playing to the same fan base new gnr is playing to right now (re-insert the scorned slash/gnr fans). maturity may make things a little bit easier but it would also neutralize the chemistry and angst that made them great. original gnr is dead whether you can get them in the same room or not.
Re: 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour
war: I don't have to speak personally for anybody. The numbers tell the story. You need to quit making it personal. I am completely acknowledging that there are a few people that love CD. I always have. I'm not saying you can't like it, I'm telling you what the rest of the world is thinking. They don't care. Sales numbers back that up. Attendance figures back that up. Forum participation backs that up. I don't need to take a formal poll. The evidence is all there, but you're choosing to ignore it because you don't like it. It is the reality of the situation. It always has been and now that the curiosity factor is gone, it's more true today than it was before CD came out.
monkey: If the something you are getting is considered nothing or next to nothing, you're not really going to miss it. If TWAT didn't exist, I'd be just fine even though it is on the short list of my favorite songs. I completely disagree that something you don't like is better than nothing. I think nothing is way better than having to endure something you don't like. Having nothing doesn't change anything for me.
Let's say I have a dog named Axl. If my choices are having him lay around and sleep all day or having a pile of dog shit on my bed, I'll take the nothing option. In some ways, this isn't any different. I still love the dog, but I'm not really happy with what he's done. He doesn't get thrown out of the house, but I don't reward him for crapping on my bed. I wait around hoping he'll eventually do something good to make me forget what he did that was bad.
Re: 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour
war: I don't have to speak personally for anybody.
no, instead, you speak generally for everybody : )
The numbers tell the story.
the numbers tell us that gnr is not as popular as it used to be - nothing more, nothing less. the question is why. the numbers don't address that. i believe a reunion ALBUM would show that far less care about the band regardless of the guitar player. i think the reasons for cd doing less than uy1 has more to do with other factors then who plays guitar, like the fact of the matter that old fashioned rock is old hat. a reunion would provide a much milder surge in popularity then many think IMO.
You need to quit making it personal.
um ok... i guess you mean i should speak for others rather than just myself like you do????? : )
I've taken nothing personal and question why you think I have.
I am completely acknowledging that there are a few people that love CD. I always have. I'm not saying you can't like it, I'm telling you what the rest of the world is thinking.
an amazing feat.
They don't care. Sales numbers back that up. Attendance figures back that up. Forum participation backs that up. I don't need to take a formal poll. The evidence is all there, but you're choosing to ignore it because you don't like it. It is the reality of the situation. It always has been and now that the curiosity factor is gone, it's more true today than it was before CD came out.
you should try reading people's posts rather than immediately going to your "realist versus ostrich" scoop....I made it clear in my last post, which you are responding to, that I prefer the original line-up and its's discography to "new gnr"'s and wish they had not broken up. all i've essentially said is that I like "new gnr" and it is still a relevant act regardless of how inferior it's relevance in numbers is to the success gnr enjoyed in the 90's. slash is only one of many reasons for the decline. a reunion would dissappoint in both numbers and quality IMO for the same reasons new gnr dissappointed on the pop charts, which can be summed up in one word - old.
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I am not disappointed in CD because I didn't expect much. Same with VR and Slash's solo album. Hard to be disappointed when you go in with low expectations - I accept each effort for what it is.
There's no way a reunion could disappoint me because all I want is them playing on stage together. I don't care if they make new music. I don't care if Axl's voice isn't what it used to be. None of that matters, so I don't think I could possibly be disappointed in a reunion. Slash is on top of his game right now as far as playing goes...probably better than he was in 92. Axl...not so much, but he can still hold his own (the advantage of playing an instrument instead of being the instrument). I think the only way a reunion could disappoint me is if Axl waits until he can't even hold his own anymore to reunite.
I'm sorry if you don't like the way the world sees things. If you can somehow change that, I suggest focusing on something more important than how the world views GnR. You can continue to live in your little batcave of denial, but it's pretty hard to refute how I present the general view of GnR by the public. Even some of the biggest fans get it. Someday maybe you will too - then you can be at peace with enjoying what you like instead of being upset with how the rest of the world views what you like.
To you, everything is a series of amazing coincidences and none of it in any way reflects the public's lack of interest in this band. I don't see it that way - I see it as the public's disinterest coming through loud and clear. We'll have to agree to see it differently.
Re: 2009-10 Chinese Democracy World Tour
There's no way a reunion could disappoint me because all I want is them playing on stage together.
fine with me and you are not alone. i'd go if they're were new songs, but only if......
Slash is on top of his game right now as far as playing goes...probably better than he was in 92.
i don't agree but this is opinion and i'm not taking an axl vs. slash stance here. i love both of them but it would be irrelevant if i didn't.
I'm sorry if you don't like the way the world sees things.
yes, it tears me up inside to know that axl rose, who is near the age of 50 and has more money than god, can't outdo himself from his hay day years.
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the world is a community of individuals. i would agree that most prefer old gnr - a few like both - a fewer yet prefer new. add what's left of the traditionalists who still care and the fans of the new band and you still have a less than grand following of gnr. certainly less than the original.
If you can somehow change that, I suggest focusing on something more important than how the world views GnR.
weird - i am the one telling you the same
You can continue to live in your little batcave of denial, but it's pretty hard to refute how I present the general view of GnR by the public.
agreed but thanks again for the speech.
are you reading off of cue cards?
Even some of the biggest fans get it.
im a fan of old and new so i trust my objectivity.
Someday maybe you will too - then you can be at peace with enjoying what you like instead of being upset with how the rest of the world views what you like.
i AM at peace and that is why i do NOT care what the rest of the world thinks of a stupid band.
you cannot honestly say that about yourself so don't call the kettle black.
To you, everything is a series of amazing coincidences and none of it in any way reflects the public's lack of interest in this band. I don't see it that way - I see it as the public's disinterest coming through loud and clear. We'll have to agree to see it differently.
weird again cause i've agreed with that now three times. "why?" is the question. i say it's more than who plays guitar. i say had the band never broke up they'd been more dead and earlier then they are now. that's what time does to a band like gnr. the most troubling part of it all is the one who tried to change along with the scene couldn't do so without isolating himself from the rest of the band.
