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Re: Warship arrives as pirates’ options dwindle
If you're going to leave out 9/11, then you need to leave out military deaths as well. As I said before, the troops signed up to go to battle (whether you agree with it or not). You have to expect some of them to be killed. Nobody goes to work thinking they might be killed (well, very few do such as police and fire).
Re: Warship arrives as pirates’ options dwindle
If you're going to leave out 9/11, then you need to leave out military deaths as well. .
How about we leave out everything. 
The reason I didn't leave out the Iraq deaths were this:
Basically the contradicition I find is that you state we need to essentially fight fire with fire. Then when I brought up the deaths involved when fighting this fire, you stated well it happened during a war. Well, yeah, that was what you were advocating when you said fight fire with fire, wasn't it?
Re: Warship arrives as pirates’ options dwindle
This will be my last post on this subject. If your trying to make the arguement that less people were killed by terrorists by Bush's philosohphy than Clintons, then I ask: Which had more terroristic deaths of people in their regime, Bush or Clinton? (not including 9/11, but deaths in Iraq do count)
If you say Clinton, well I haven't looked up the numbers, but I'd have a hard time believing that one.
Basically the contradicition I find is that you state we need to essentially fight fire with fire. Then when I brought up the deaths involved when fighting this fire, you stated well it happened during a war. Well, yeah, that was what you were advocating when you said fight fire with fire, wasn't it?
I think something's getting lost in translation.
Without looking up statistics, I think its safe to say more troops have died on Bush's watch than Clinton's. Why? Well, two wars lasting almost a decade for starters. Whether or not a war is a success or failure, we lose troops in combat. The biggest cake walk in military history(Reagan's invasion of Grenada) resulted in a few casualties as well.
With Clinton, the terrorists were on the offensive. Bomb a barracks here, bomb a hotel there, bomb a nightclub over there, sink a ship,etc. Other than Clinton's strike on Afghanistan and Sudan( was nothing more than a "pin prick"), he didn't really do anything to alleviate the problem. Were OVERALL casualties lower on his watch? Yeah, but the rate of annual attacks was insane and its no surprise that thousands of troops weren't killed in long occupations because he refused to go in(Kosovo the exception, another Clinton policy I supported). Bush went in, we went on the offensive, and while there are obviously casualties on those war fronts(both sides), there have been no other terror attacks directed at the U.S. How many barracks been bombed since 2001? Hotels? Ships? Our troops still getting killed? Yeah, but thats to be expected when they're in a hornet's nest trying to destroy it.
Here's an article hot off the newswires.....
Russia 'ends Chechnya operation'
Russia has ended its decade-long "counter-terrorism operation" against separatist rebels in the southern republic of Chechnya, officials say.
The move aimed "to create conditions to further normalise the situation", the National Anti-terrorist Committee said. Russian forces have fought two wars in the mainly Muslim republic since 1994.
Moscow says Chechnya has stabilised under its pro-Kremlin President Ramzan Kadyrov, but human rights groups accuse his militias of widespread abuses.
"We received the news about cancelling the counter-terrorism operation with great satisfaction," Mr Kadyrov told Russia's Interfax news agency on Thursday.
"The leadership of Russia has officially confirmed the fact that the nest of terrorism has been crushed, that illegal armed groups have been neutralised, and militant leaders on whose conscience lay the grief and suffering of thousands of people have been destroyed, detained and brought to court.
"Now the Chechen Republic... is a peaceful, developing territory, and cancelling the counter-terrorism operation will only promote economic growth in the republic," he added. Sporadic clashes persist in Chechnya, however, and violence continues in the neighbouring regions of Dagestan and Ingushetia.
Correspondents say Mr Kadyrov rules over Chechnya by fear. Human rights groups have documented allegations of kidnappings, torture and murder of the president's opponents.
Mr Kadyrov has dismissed such claims and denied any involvement.
In a statement on Thursday, Russia's National Anti-terrorist Committee said it had "cancelled the decree imposing an anti-terror operation on the territory of Chechnya, effective from midnight [2000 GMT on Wednesday]".
"This decision aims to create conditions to further normalise the situation in the region, to restore and develop its economic and social infrastructure," it said.
The BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow says the announcement is a moment of great symbolism, but that in fact relative stability was established some time ago.
The Chechen rebels who have been fighting for independence for their republic for 15 years have not been able to carry out any serious attacks since 2004, our correspondent says.
And while the rebels have been confined to the mountains, the capital Grozny, which once lay in ruins after two brutal wars, is now being rapidly rebuilt, he adds.
President Dmitry Medvedev ordered the end of the counter-terrorism operation after announcing last month that he believed the region was now stable enough to ease security restrictions.
These include curfews, road blocks, periodic searches by the security forces for suspected Islamist fighters, and relaxed detention rules. "We must create new possibilities for investment and employment," Mr Medvedev said in a broadcast on state television in March.
Our correspondent says it is not clear how many Russian forces will still remain in Chechnya.
A source in the Russian interior ministry has said 5,000 of its troops would gradually pull out, but it is not yet clear how many regular soldiers will do the same, he adds.
Chechnya declared independence from Russia in 1991. Three years later the Kremlin sent in troops to restore its authority, sparking the first Chechen war, which ended in humiliating defeat for Russian forces in 1996.
In 1999, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin sent Russian troops back in, launching the "counter-terrorism operation" that has now been ended after 10 years.
The Kremlin pounded the rebels and gradually managed to persuade several powerful clan leaders to defect. They included Akhmad Kadyrov, a senior Chechen religious leader, who later was elected president and declared his loyalty to Moscow.
He was killed in a bomb blast in October 2003, but was eventually followed by his son, Ramzan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8001495.stm
Like I said, violence reduces terrorism.
