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Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
buzzsaw wrote:Wasn't the biggest Axl Rose news about biting a security guard or bitchslapping a fashion dude for quite a long time? Now the only news is when he bashes Slash again. Where was all the coverage when CD was released?
All over the place, you didn't see? Fuse TV, MTV News, Rolling Stone, all over the place.
The only reason it didn't go to the VR-degree, was because Axl refused to do interviews and put his face out there, unlike Slash which was already on the ground, knee pads, and smiling.
For 5 minutes. What about after that? There was more extensive coverage of the mishaps than the album release.
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Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
I reckon the leaks killed a lot of the anticipation plus with the crying wolf for over 9 years, it all just got old. People just got bored of Axl's carry on and moved on.
It doesn't help matters that some of the songs that were released on the album don't sound much better than their unfinished leak counterparts of 5 years earlier.
When I heard the leaks, I thought the songs had potential, but the finished product was embarrassing, from a production standpoint. Good example, Better, that song is great, then you hit that little spot just before the solo, it kills the songs continuity.
Anyone who thinks CD is superior, are just as deluded and in denial as those who thought Contraband was good enough to be called "The album that should have been the follow up to Appetite".
And for what it's worth, it seems we have people that like to bitch that Axl didn't do interviews, or any proper promotions... Then go on to insinuate Slash is whore for doing proper promotion for his stuff. Yeah, these people can be taken seriously.
Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
Neemo I dont think interviews are bad, and I wish Axl would do more.
looking at Axls interviews that he has done he seems very reluctant to talk about the more private strugles that have gone on within the old band, and I give him cedit for that (Duff as well for the most part) even if that means the story stays more or less one sided.
But it seems like every time he opens his mouth most people want to hold him acountable for things he seems to think are (at worst) untrue or (at least) unfair in his eyes. Given his reluctance to speak up on the private details that would clear things up it's sort of like being between a rock and a hard spot if you know what I mean.
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Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
i never will understand why some of you guys think its so bad to do interviews
like for me, if its something that i'm interested in, i enjoy reading things that people have to say
I agree. But it seems people in GNR cycles don't like it. Slash is bashed for being friendly to the media, and Baz was copping a lot of abuse for his Angel Down interviews.
Its not selling out or being a whore, it's doing their job, they work in the entertainment industry, and part of that means promoting and talking about their product.
Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
Axlin08 wrote:buzzsaw wrote:Wasn't the biggest Axl Rose news about biting a security guard or bitchslapping a fashion dude for quite a long time? Now the only news is when he bashes Slash again. Where was all the coverage when CD was released?
All over the place, you didn't see? Fuse TV, MTV News, Rolling Stone, all over the place.
The only reason it didn't go to the VR-degree, was because Axl refused to do interviews and put his face out there, unlike Slash which was already on the ground, knee pads, and smiling.
For 5 minutes. What about after that? There was more extensive coverage of the mishaps than the album release.
That has majorly to do with the lack of videos. I remember VR dropping off the radar quick after Contraband was released. Not that they weren't actively still out there, but I don't remember the post-hype being near as big as the pre-hype.
Intercourse wrote:I reckon the leaks killed a lot of the anticipation plus with the crying wolf for over 9 years, it all just got old. People just got bored of Axl's carry on and moved on.
Anyone who thinks CD is superior, are just as deluded and in denial as those who thought Contraband was good enough to be called "The album that should have been the follow up to Appetite".
So you're delusional to think CD is a good album?
In the immortal words of 'The Dude'...
"well that's like YOUR opinion man"
Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
Anyone who thinks CD is superior, are just as deluded and in denial as those who thought Contraband was good enough to be called "The album that should have been the follow up to Appetite".
I think that Chinese Democracy is the second best album (behind Use Your Illusion II) that Guns N' Roses have released.
Does that mean that I'm deluded and in denial?
Yeah, I don't think so.
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Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
Yeah it does... Absolutely.
UYI 2 better than Appetite? Suuuuuuuuure it is. The Best song on UYI 2 is better than the best song on Appetite, but as a total album, there is no fucking way it's better... Had they, for instance, put "Don't Cry" on Appetite, instead of "Out Ta Get Me", the song might be better, the ALBUM would have been weakened, it would have killed the tempo, that's why it was left off, THAT is a smart production move. "My World", "Shotgun Blues", "Get In The Ring", that is widely acknowledged filler, ever since the albums came out, long before there was any Axl vs. Slash bias bullshit. The 12 best songs released on the 2 UYI albums, are better than Appetite's songs, it would still not make a better album, it would be unfocused... That is not a good album.
With Chinese Democracy, Half the songs on it, the ones that had leaks 5 years earlier, and people who criticized them were told to shut up cause they weren't done so of course they would sound the way they did, sound too much like the damn leaks STILL, except that instead of the excess being edited out, and the mixes being better, Axl added more shit and didn't improve the mixing. It's ridiculous.
"Shackler's Revenge"? Ok Ministry of Axl Zombie. It has it's moments, but the beginning is absolutely dated and shit, it should have joined Silkworms and Oh My God on the cutting room floor, or at least reworked.
"If The World"? Axl sounds like an evil Barry Gibb for 5 minutes! Great song otherwise.
"Chinese Democracy"? You have to pack a fucking lunch and a change of underwear just to get from the start of the track to the first fucking musical note. Good song otherwise.
"Better"? The song moves a long great, and then hits that brick wall from 3:15 to 3:25 that kills the progression of the song, adding nothing of worth to the song. He could have also cut the first 10 seconds also. Favorite song though.
"Street of Dreams"? From :30 to 1:50 Axl's vocals are totally weak and strained, there should have been another take or a better take to use. After that the song kicks ass.
"TWAT", is another solid song that could have had the opening trimmed.
"Scraped"? The beginning vocal harmony is ridiculous, it's like Axl trying to be Axl's II Axl. After that the song is killer.
"Sorry"... Song is great from start to finish. Would have preferred this type of vocal on "If The World".
"Rhiad" does nothing for me, another intro that is too long, and on top of that it breaks into Robert Plant "Immigrant Song" ripoff. Wouldn't miss it if left off.
"IRS" does nothing for me, the music is good, but nothing. Wouldn't miss it if left off.
"Madagascar" I was sick of, it's just boring to me now.
"Prostitute" is a good song, even this vocal would have been better on "If The World".
"This I Love"? It's a beautiful song... The only problem is that it's a love song in which he's saying he doesn't know why the woman he's singing about left him, and when I listen to it I just wanna scream "BECAUSE YOU BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HER!!!!". Also, the lyrics are a little repetitive.
The really inexcusable problems with the production, this motherfucker had Freese and Mantia, 2 of the best drummers around, playing on the cd... Why does so much of the drumming sound like a fucking drum machine? A good drummer isn't supposed to sound like a drum machine, just keep time as good as a machine. And a lot of the tonal aspects of the instruments sounded mechanical and cold, sterile is a good word. I'm listening to Estranged right now, and that sense of coldness is not there, same with "November Rain" which I just switched to, no coldness, heavily produced but doesn't sound or feel mechanical, it isn't on every song, but it is on too many of them.
I like most of CD, I'm sure Axl had other songs that are better that he should have put on it in place of some, but the songs and the overall music is good for the most part... It is not superior though, it has tons of production issues that Appetite doesn't, or even the Illusions. This isn't an indictment of Axl's ability to write songs, it's about his judgment in the studio producing them, he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a mixing board.
You think it's the second best thing GnR released? There are people that believe the moon landings were fake.
Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
You think it's the second best thing GnR released? There are people that believe the moon landings were fake.
Now that's just hilarious.
Talk about being in denial when you can't even accept other people's opinions.
