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Re: Is it gay...
And that's 3 points, from down town at the buzzer - Backslash wins.
Going on that theory, a "pitcher" is not gay. Only a "catcher", whether with a woman or man is gay. A man who sticks his dick in a guy's ass is not a gay man.
Once again Axlin you are making assumptions of what other people are assuming.
And you're making assumptions, that i'm assuming what other people are assuming.
What the fuck?
Come on man, you gotta do better than that. We all know society views lesbians as 'not really gay'. Otherwise you'd have a bunch of straight men & women out there, that find it 'hot' to watch two men make out, and rub each other's crotches.
I just don't get your argument that getting nailed by a girl is straight. For one, our asses weren't made for that.
A woman's asshole wasn't meant for a dick either, but that doesn't stop alot of a straight men from thinking anal sex is the bomb. Are they gay? Is she gay?
Nobody's ass was made for sex, but alot of people do it, and love it.
Three- men did like in the ass a long time ago, and they were gay, they just didn't have a word for it back then as it was seemingly natural to have that relationship with another man.
WHAT? Since when has mankind viewed two men having a romantic/sexual relationship as natural? If that were the case, mankind would've been conditioned to view homosexuality as simply a way of life, and we wouldn't have the massive amount of bigotry and intolorance we have in today's society.
Listen, women like to be filled and men like to be the filler.
Only because society has been conditioned that women submit to men.
When you deviate from that you are no longer straight.
According to you. I find making out with a man, or sucking his dick to be FAR more a classification of homosexuality, than taking a dildo up the ass.
A man who likes to get his ass filled with a dick shaped object is queer. Okay, maybe not queer, but he is at least bi-sexual and repressing some homosexual feelings.
So what is it when a woman sticks a dildo up her ass? Is that gay? Is she bi? Does she have repressed homosexual feelings, because she likes a dildo in her ass, and not a real dick? Or does that just apply to her vagina?
I just don't think there are RULES to sexuality. Or labels, except in specific cases. A FAKE dick, no matter if it's penis shaped, or a toy that is made to easily go up there, is still a TOY for sexual pleasure. No different for a woman using it, or a man using it.
Only when a man takes a REAL dick up his ass or mouth, do I push the button and say - "GAY".
He's actually, as a man, trying to give or get sexual gratification from another man.
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Re: Is it gay...
Meanwhile...every time we jack off...that's a man's hand touching our bits...damn it...we're all gay it would appear 
- monkeychow
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Re: Is it gay...
Actually...to be serious on this issue.
I think it comes down to mental stuff. It's what is in the mind and what makes you horny that is the true classification of sexuality rather than the acts.
Consider:
1. A man who gets hard at the thought of sucking another man off. This is what he wants to do. But for whatever reason, he only has sex with women in his lifetime. I would consider that man gay (or bisexual if he enjoys the sex with women too). Even if he never in fact does have sex with a man. He's gay.
2. A man who is forced to have sex with another man. He doesn't become gay from the act, he is a straight man being forced. Why - because mentally he doesnt like men. Or a man in prison who may have sex with a man, but be thinking of women mentally.
3. If we are talking sex acts phyically. Let's think about a blow job. The inside of woman's mouth is going to be very similar to the inside of a man's mouth on a physical level. But a straight guy will be excited at the prospect of a BJ from a woman, and disgusted at one from a man, and totally horrified at the same pysical sensation delivered by a child. The key is its not act itself, or the physical sensations produced that create the sexuality, its the mind set.
Because the OP's suggestion resembles an act many straight men would not enjoy, and because it is very close to the activities of gay males, the gut feeling is to consider it gay - but the only real test is what is in the mind of the person.
If he gets hard at the thought of women, but happens to enjoy the same activittes gay males do, but does them with his girl...it still makes him straight. Ther only thing that would make it gay is being attracted to the idea of doing that with a man. Not the pysical sensations of it.
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I get what you mean.
If a guys taking a dildo up his ass from his wife/girlfriend, its only gay if while he's taking the dildo, he's thinking about a man behind him doing it?
But wouldn't the act itself already tell you that part of him does envision that?
Re: Is it gay...
And that's 3 points, from down town at the buzzer - Backslash wins.
Going on that theory, a "pitcher" is not gay. Only a "catcher", whether with a woman or man is gay. A man who sticks his dick in a guy's ass is not a gay man.
Saikin wrote:Once again Axlin you are making assumptions of what other people are assuming.
And you're making assumptions, that i'm assuming what other people are assuming.
What the fuck?
Come on man, you gotta do better than that. We all know society views lesbians as 'not really gay'. Otherwise you'd have a bunch of straight men & women out there, that find it 'hot' to watch two men make out, and rub each other's crotches.
Saikin wrote:I just don't get your argument that getting nailed by a girl is straight. For one, our asses weren't made for that.
A woman's asshole wasn't meant for a dick either, but that doesn't stop alot of a straight men from thinking anal sex is the bomb. Are they gay? Is she gay?
Nobody's ass was made for sex, but alot of people do it, and love it.
Saikin wrote:Three- men did like in the ass a long time ago, and they were gay, they just didn't have a word for it back then as it was seemingly natural to have that relationship with another man.
WHAT? Since when has mankind viewed two men having a romantic/sexual relationship as natural? If that were the case, mankind would've been conditioned to view homosexuality as simply a way of life, and we wouldn't have the massive amount of bigotry and intolorance we have in today's society.
Randall Flagg wrote:Listen, women like to be filled and men like to be the filler.
Only because society has been conditioned that women submit to men.
Randall Flagg wrote:When you deviate from that you are no longer straight.
According to you. I find making out with a man, or sucking his dick to be FAR more a classification of homosexuality, than taking a dildo up the ass.
Randall Flagg wrote:A man who likes to get his ass filled with a dick shaped object is queer. Okay, maybe not queer, but he is at least bi-sexual and repressing some homosexual feelings.
So what is it when a woman sticks a dildo up her ass? Is that gay? Is she bi? Does she have repressed homosexual feelings, because she likes a dildo in her ass, and not a real dick? Or does that just apply to her vagina?
I just don't think there are RULES to sexuality. Or labels, except in specific cases. A FAKE dick, no matter if it's penis shaped, or a toy that is made to easily go up there, is still a TOY for sexual pleasure. No different for a woman using it, or a man using it.
Only when a man takes a REAL dick up his ass or mouth, do I push the button and say - "GAY".
He's actually, as a man, trying to give or get sexual gratification from another man.
Holy shit man you need to read up on your history. There have been many societies in the past that have viewed this as alright. The Greeks actually had their soldiers in training (when they were young) assigned an older mentor and it was perfectly normal, acceptable, and expected that they would be romantic and intimate. The same also went for their warriors in certain parts. They felt the romantic attachment made them better warriors.
Ever seen 300 when Leonidas refers to Athens as a bunch of "boy lovers", that's what he was referring to.
You're also contradicting yourself when you are trying to flip Randall's logic on its head. By saying that a 'pitcher' is not gay, you are also then in turn saying that two women are not gay. Of course the pitcher is gay, it's two men. Just like the fact that two lesbians are gay.
Also, society views two women fucking as hot because they don't want to see two men doing it. Of course they realize it's gay... but women look so much better than men. They aren't hairy, and they don't always try to stick their dick in something.
When a woman and a man delve into the realm of sodomy (meaning him using his penis to sodomize her) it is not gay because the woman is still being submissive. Now whether or not it's natural is a different argument.
Societies evolve, and you seem to miss that point in your argument. Pre-Christian tradition there wasn't really a term for homosexuality in all cultures. But leading up to the Christian era and post-Christ is when we really start to see more and more cultures adopting a negative view on homosexuality and labeling people that way. But it was acceptable in some cultures. Probably still is in some parts of the world.
Re: Is it gay...
Axlin08 wrote:According to you. I find making out with a man, or sucking his dick to be FAR more a classification of homosexuality, than taking a dildo up the ass.
You got a point there.
So you admit there could be different levels of homosexuality? Maybe... gay, bi, bi-curious perhaps?
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Okay here's some responses...
MonkeyChow has got a great point. If it's all in the mind set of a man, a man submitting to a woman, and having her do him from behind with a strap-on is trying to recreate a scenario of a homosexual fantasy, within that logic. That would HAVE to be in the man's mindset using that logic, and thus would make him gay, or at least bi-curious.
I personally view it differently. There's no one else in the room, other than your girl. No man, no real penis, nothing. It's just you and your girl exploring each other. If you're approaching it with a mindset to simulate getting fucked by a man, for that purpose, then yeah, you might want to start asking yourself questions about your own sexuality. But I knew a guy once that was a straight man, and he had sex with a gay male friend of his, who was majorly attracted to him and kept trying to "turn him". He described the experience to me one night and as it goes, one thing led to another, it happened, and the guy "caught" per his own description. He loved the sex, which perplexed me, because he kept claiming his staunch heterosexuality. He explained the weirdness of it all for him, was that he enjoyed every moment of the "act", but couldn't be less attracted to his friend, a male. He did not suck the guy's dick, because he had no interest. He was referring solely to getting it in the ass. And I asked him if that were the case, why didn't he just have his girlfriend (long-term at that point, now married) to do him in the ass with a strap-on, because he said he still was heterosexual and loved women, and wasn't attracted to men at all. The irony? It never dawned on him. He had in his mind, that he MUST be gay, if he enjoyed that, yet at the same time, couldn't be less attracted to men. It didn't sexually arouse him at all seeing a man naked, or kissing on him, at least not 'til he was getting fucked. The funny end game to it all, was he approached his girlfriend who was intrigued by the idea, and they went for it, and the man still enjoys it and is totally heterosexual, with no feelings towards men. The funny part is he kind of took a dick up his ass for no reason.
As for Saikin, yes I do know of the Greeks & Romans. But I didn't mention it, because it's not the same to me. You make a very valid point, but to me the Greeks & Romans almost perpetuated more of a taste for pedophilia, rather than true homosexuality. Being a pedophile, and being a homosexual with two consenting adults are two different things. They are approached with two different mindsets. All homosexuals, unless they are pedophiles, find sex with a child disgusting and horrid, no different than a real adult straight man or woman. I know people always joke about robbing the cradle, but in reality if you have any class to you at all, a 24 year old or so adult, is not going to be sexually attracted to a 14 year old, unless they have a MAJOR screw loose (pardon the expression).
As for the warriors getting it on with warriors, I don't know how 'accepted' it was. I wasn't there, but somehow I can't wrap my mind around it, and maybe i'm ignorant for that, I dunno. I'm guessing that homosexuality has been orientation, and been around for the longest time, and it was rampant in their military, and it was just a sign of homosexuality being normal, rather than accepted. There's a difference. If I, as a straight man, walk into a gay bar... who's the abnormal one? See what I mean.
You basically backed up my argument on the 'pitcher' thing. That's exactly what I was saying. I was stating Randall's own logic, in my own sense. I don't agree with it, but I was trying to convey, what seemed to come across in his post. By that logic a pitcher is not gay, so a man who fucks a man or a woman is not gay, only people who get filled are gay, which would mean a straight woman, and a submissive lesbian & gay man, are the only true 'gays'.
Society views two women as hot, imo, because women are a much more sensual, soft, and erotic creature than men. Nobody looks at two bull dikes, with mullets and trucker caps making out as hot, and the reality is - they are the real lesbians of the world. The two hot porno lesbians are really a fabrication of the media and entertainment world. It's a fantasy, but not a reality. If they were to market that two 'pretty boy' and 'built' men making out and doing each other was very hot and freeing... it'd catch on eventually. Societies can be sculpted for anything.
And finally, I won't argue with you on the Christian way have a stranglehold on the "homosexuality is an abomination/immorality" argument. Christianity has obviously grown to being the #1 religion of the world in the past 2000 years. But there are other religions that frown on homosexuality, such as Islam, also.
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And finally, I won't argue with you on the Christian way have a stranglehold on the "homosexuality is an abomination/immorality" argument. Christianity has obviously grown to being the #1 religion of the world in the past 2000 years. But there are other religions that frown on homosexuality, such as Islam, also.
Hold on one damn minute. Do NOT accuse me of blaming it on Christianity. Please point to where in my post I did that. I simply used that as a time line. It was circa that Christian era that we see everyone adopting this.
Society views two women as hot, imo, because women are a much more sensual, soft, and erotic creature than men. Nobody looks at two bull dikes, with mullets and trucker caps making out as hot, and the reality is - they are the real lesbians of the world. The two hot porno lesbians are really a fabrication of the media and entertainment world. It's a fantasy, but not a reality. If they were to market that two 'pretty boy' and 'built' men making out and doing each other was very hot and freeing... it'd catch on eventually. Societies can be sculpted for anything.
Exactly my point. Thank you.
