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Re: NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!)
What's wrong with Robin and his choices? He's a touring musician that likes to stay busy. When he went back to NIN this year, I doubt he had any idea CD was gonna be released. Hell, I doubt Axl had any idea CD was gonna be released this year. I saw an article saying that the final mixes weren't even handed over to be mastered until some time in October. Robin went back to NIN in what March? If I had the choice of being a part of one of the most successful tours of the year or wait around for Axl to get his shit together again, I would choose NIN too.
to faldor
I'm just a casual fan. I've only been getting into them the past few years. I have some friends that bleed NIN and it's kinda wearing off on me. I'm not uneasy about the future. I remember when the older band disbanded, Trent said how things will be scaled back but then he came out with this tour and basically made all his past tours look like child's play. Plus, I would love to see a scaled back, smaller venue tour.
Re: NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!)
I'm just pissed the NIN tour never came through Wisconsin. The closest they came was Lollapalooza, but I just wanted to see NIN, not a hundred and fifty other bands. I was holding out hope that they'd come back on a second leg of the tour in 2009, but it looks like that ain't gonna happen.
Wouldn't it be funny if Freese and Finck both wound up back in GNR for 2009?
Re: NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!)
File this one under lost opportunities.
I'm very proud of the show we've put together for this tour and have been working hard the last few months to find a way to capture it. I had an amazing situation lined up that would have allowed me to film the show in 3D with James Cameron's team for a theatrical release as well as DVD / BluRay, etc. We had an extra date added to the tour that we were going to give away all the tickets for and have a filming party / thank you show.
I made two critical mistakes. One was to approach a certain record company that owns some of the song rights about producing / funding. The second was to allow said company to fuck around as usual for months before saying um... no. We then achieved the impossible by finding alternate production / funding but the timetable is too rushed to get it filmed comfortably with the remaining time left on the tour. This tour and a lot of the personnel involved finish at the end of this leg, so we can't push filming into Jan / Feb.
Deep breath...
This was an amazing tour and production - certainly the best thing I've ever been involved with and likely the final tour for NIN on this scale. Thank you to those who came out to see it and forgive me for having a Kanye West moment, but this was FOR SURE the best show of the year and any bullshit end-of-the-year poll you may read in the next few weeks that says otherwise simply has it wrong. Those of you who saw it know I'm right.
The shows we have announced in 2009 and any more that may be announced will be a completely different approach with some different personnel and will likely be the last for the foreseeable future.
Trent Reznor
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Re: NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!)
personnel huh? well im glad GNR isn't the only band to label their band members as employess.
Re: NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!)
I merged this thread with the other NIN thread cuz they were going in the same direction...definately could be an interesting turn of events...if this was trents one last hurrah maybe it makes sense why he jumped ship to do it
but i agree with DCK it woulda been nice to be let in on some info...only time will tell though what this latest NIN update means
*peace*
Re: NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!)
The reference to personell and the scaling down of the extravagence of the tour says to me, the technicians and crew reponsible for creating the live experience were not booked to continue that production post december. They cant push for them to continue simply because as a professional outfit these guys will have other projects scheduled for 2009. So Trents plan of filming the show in 3D etc will not happen at all now because the expert personell needed to pull it off will not be available.
I wish I had a chance to see that show, it looked pretty spectacular.
I dont think he is referring to his band as personell. He could find replacements for them easily enough.
Re: NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!)
The reference to personell and the scaling down of the extravagence of the tour says to me, the technicians and crew reponsible for creating the live experience were not booked to continue that production post december. They cant push for them to continue simply because as a professional outfit these guys will have other projects scheduled for 2009.
how i got it (with his record company mention) was that he is out of money to keep everyone on board for 2009 and to execute this the way he really wants to...so they will scale down the operation to a bare minimum, for financial reasons...until he gets it all together again...
Re: NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!)
The reference to personell and the scaling down of the extravagence of the tour says to me, the technicians and crew reponsible for creating the live experience were not booked to continue that production post december. They cant push for them to continue simply because as a professional outfit these guys will have other projects scheduled for 2009. So Trents plan of filming the show in 3D etc will not happen at all now because the expert personell needed to pull it off will not be available.
I wish I had a chance to see that show, it looked pretty spectacular.I dont think he is referring to his band as personell. He could find replacements for them easily enough.
Couldn't he find replacements for crew members too though? Is it easier to find a lead guitar player and other band members than it is to find crew members? I'm not demeaning their work, granted they're great at what they do. I'm sure there are many more talented technicians, etc. that he could dial up though.
- elevendayempire
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Re: NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!)
It's definitely a dig at Axl but Reznors been doing it for years and others have said much worse I doubt Axl will be too upset by this one.
elevendayempire wrote:Pretty much the only people in the new lineup whose place is secure are Dizzy, Pitman and maybe Fortus (assuming Izzy doesn't want to tour or Axl DEMANDS to have three guitarists). I don't like it - it's a shoddy way to treat the people who've pissed away a decade of their careers on Chinese Democracy - but it looks increasingly like it's happening.
Who knows about a reunion, it's a speculation for now and really nothing much more substantial than that, the strongest reunion indicator is that Azoff's in charge and he's the 'reunion' guy so to speak. As for a reunion lineup it dpeneds on if they want to do new material. If they do, I'd suspect we might see Pitman remaining in some capacity. If it's just a big tour there's no real need for Pitman, they did the old songs fine 20 years ago wihtout him. I see no place for Fortus in any kind of reunion environment, if Izzy won't do it (and I suspect he would) then I'm sure Gilby would.
My thinking is that Axl would want to maintain a balance between "his people" and the old band; the control freak wouldn't want to be outnumbered by Slash and his mates, given that they're a tight unit that's been recording and touring together for several years now.
Given that Pitman wrote many of the new GN'R songs, I'd imagine Axl would want to keep him on board - and he'd be handy for synths, orchestration and adding all those "modern" touches to the songs. Dizzy would stay, that's a given.
Fortus... I'm assuming Izzy would be his usual unpredictable self; we know he doesn't like touring, but I could see him taking a back-seat role. Songwriting, and occasionally turning up to guest at gigs and soak up the applause. Assuming that were the case, I'd say Fortus is a more likely pick than Gilby, because neither Axl nor Slash have had any meaningful contact with Gilby for about a decade.
I couldn't see Slash's ego allowing him to sit back and watch Ron play, say, the November Rain outro, though.
So I could see a plausible "reunion" line-up of...
Axl
Slash
Fortus
Duff
Pitman
Dizzy
Either Sorum or Frank on drums
plus occasional appearances by Izzy
