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- Smoking Guns
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Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
You know what else, besided the myspace deal, was the playing of the cd in its entirety on radio.... I think many fans after one listen said no thanks, I already heard it now and I don't like it. I think their plan to let everyone hear every song for free backfired.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
I really think these songs are songs, only a family member could love (i.e. Axl = the mother, the fans = siblings). Outside of that family unit of the band and the diehard fans... most of these songs will be misunderstood by the world.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
the latest rumor i heard was like 1.5million units for 8 or 9 bucks a peice
but I dont know anything that would confirm or deny those #'s ... it may have been madagas posting something he read @ another forum
but if its 1.5 @ $9 per then you are looking at $13.5mill up front...there goes the initial debt
so the gnr advance is cleared up and all the songs that had been leaked are now in circulation...also best buy is making about $4 profit off each disk they sell....its a pretty sweet deal for all involved
I don't buy that
It doesn't take a math major to figure out what a horrible deal that would be for Best Buy.
Id say Best buy bought 1.5 million but if they paid 9 bucks a CD and only made 4 bucks a cd, they'd lose 8 million dollars.
That aint gonna happen
I'd say they paid 4 dollars a CD and are making 9 dollars a CD.
That makes more cents *mispelling intentional*
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
Neemo's figures actually make sense.
let's say it was 1.5 million copies at $8 each. that's $12M up front.
at $12 each, they break even at 1 million records sold. anything on top of that is pure profit.
if they just break even on the deal itself, they are WAY ahead. because what you cannot put a dollar figure on is the marketing benefits. specifically:
1. the publicity of having a major exclusive deal.
2. the added sales from having people visit their stores to buy the album.
i've never seen Best Buy's budget, but this may just be a portion of their advertising expenses.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
Did it ever occur to anyone that the album didn't reach #1 because the material wasnt' strong enough? I mean sometimes the simplest explanation is the most accurate. How many people listend to it on their myspace page? Ummm yeah so maybe the majority of people listend and sad "meh I'm not buying that" There's gonna come a time when alot of you are gonna have to at least accept this as a possibility.
- killingvector
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Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
Did it ever occur to anyone that the album didn't reach #1 because the material wasnt' strong enough? I mean sometimes the simplest explanation is the most accurate. How many people listend to it on their myspace page? Ummm yeah so maybe the majority of people listend and sad "meh I'm not buying that" There's gonna come a time when alot of you are gonna have to at least accept this as a possibility.
So how many individual people listened on the myspace page?
How many decided they didn't want to buy it after that?
When you can answer these two question, perhaps your thesis will seem more believable.
Right now, you are basing this idea on pure conjecture. It is fact that the promotion for this record has been lukewarm, no appearances, no tour, no statement, no interviews, no video, tepid first single.
Let's look at the long range numbers before declaring the album a bomb and then perhaps there will be some data indicating why not enough people were interested.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
Let's look at the long range numbers before declaring the album a bomb and then perhaps there will be some data indicating why not enough people were interested.
I do agree that more time is needed before deeming it a complete failure. Yeah the first week numbers are a huge disappointment and definitely lowers the previous expectations of the band name, but we have to see if its capable of sustaining the numbers it has. If it can remain a bit steady and only drop down to 200-250k the second week, and a slight drop 3rd week, its not too bad. If it plummets the 2nd week to anything below 100k, then yes it bombed.
Everything is gonna ride on Better. The 2nd single deserves a chance to take off.
Regarding Best Buy....there's no way in hell they paid 9 bucks a cd when they know damn good and well a ton of those copies are gonna have to be unloaded for $5.99 at some point. If the 9 bucks a copy figure is true, I'm not surprised they are on the verge of financial catastrophe.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
yeah Killingvector it's a theory deal with it. I do't see people being asked to justify their non music excuses and rational. I'm not gonna sit here and do reseach and find out how many people actually decided after listening that they didn't wanna buy it. Stop trying to dismiss shit based on insecurities. Just admit it's as a possibility. Funny how when I mentiuon this peopel suddenly become defensive about thsi being possible. And this fucking excuse about a "tepid" first single is getting real old. What single on the album wasn't gonna be tepid except maybe Better and I'm not even convinced about that. Bands don't release "tepid" first singles thinking their gonna be "tepid". Sometimes the music speaks for itself. I find it funny how so very few are willing to even cosnider it a posssibility.
