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Re: Where Do We Go Now?
What will happen at the HOF induction?
The part of me that slows down when I drive by car wrecks would enjoy there not being a reunion just so we can see what happens when that inevitably happens.
I don't know if a reunion is on the immediate, or short term horizon or not, but I would assume it happens before we hit the (I think) at least 4 years before that happens.
Re: Where Do We Go Now?
although james.....putting all this material out there cleans the proverbial slate..as far as we can tell ll the stuff the hoarders have is going to be released on this album...after the cd gets released, the general and thyme will be the 2 biggies that have been built up a bit over the years...and we have no idea what they will sound like at all...i personally think there are a couple aces up Axl's sleeves still .... if there is a second disk
That's a fair point, but we are getting the main mythical tracks talked about for over a decade, one dated back to 1992.
This I Love
Prostitute
There Was A Time
Catcher in the Rye
The only unheard song hype-wise over the years that would come close to the former stature of those tracks would be The General, maybe Oklahoma. Thyme, Seven,etc. are known mainly for who was involved. No info ever came out regarding those tracks. For all we know, they're a couple of Oh My God's.
Sure there's Zodiac, Atlas Shrugged, and some others, but would those have been ditched for Riyadh? I love the track, but it had a very negative response from a majority of hardcore fans.
Shackler's Revenge looks to be sticking out like a sore thumb on this track list. I just don't think he's gonna use B list tracks on his comeback album because they were leaked by hoarders over the years.
In my opinion, we are getting the A list, or at least a very big chunk of it.
- Arcade Roses
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Arcade Roses wrote:up to seven Beltrami 'tracks' could be unheard; as long as the two songs on CD + 'This I Love' are not them. Then there is the 'reworked', 'older' stuff as well.
AR
Blah. I'm not falling into that trap. I don't like where it leads.:haha: Not meant as a stab at you, just the feeling in general.
I felt Axl would put his best material on the album. Its going to be the most scrutinized album in history(and he knows this), and it wasn't gonna get overloaded with B list material.
Therefore, any song on this album must have been superior in some capacity to any track in the vault that could have replaced them. While I would love to hear what's left in the vault, its not gonna be a constant craving because it wouldn't still be in the vault if it was worthy of Chinese Democracy.
While I agree with you, why would the big A-list producer Marco Beltrami (and other fairly biggish names too) be brought in for that (supposedly substandard music for a sequel or something album)? While I agree with you on the CD-best tracks idea (i.e. the sudden inclusion of 'CITR'... but 'Rhiad' too, good as it is?), writing off the strong-sounding Beltrami material may be another trap to watch out for, in my view.... (Some speculate it has been done to 'prevent leaks' and various other things... may be true(?).)
I know you weren't particularly impressed by 'Prostitute'; but bloody hell, I, like many others, was - however much the song didn't blow me away on first listen. Look how 'The General' has been praised over the years: Brain (one of the best drummers in the world - and again he proves it on 'Prostitute', another Beltrami 'track', or so MB tells us...); Dizzy's favourite; Baz's favourite (I know, I know... but still). SARAH BRIGHTMAN - another great artist - COMING IN TO SING ON THE TRACK!!! This song is gonna be big. 'Seven' has been praised very highly too....
Mark my words.
For all we know, they're a couple of Oh My God's.
Marco Beltrami
Sarah Brightman
Brian Mantia
and others
... came into the studio for 'a couple of "Oh My God"'s'?
- NickNasty2009
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i hope we go to a point where people are talking about the music for awhile-good, bad, ugly--as long as it gets off the substanceless, repetitive discussions of the last few years.
beyond that--i guess it's like James said, beyond talking about the final product, alot will depend on what Axl does or doesn't do...fortunately, the wait on that will (probably, hopefully) not be 14 years!
Re: Where Do We Go Now?
The only unheard song hype-wise over the years that would come close to the former stature of those tracks would be The General, maybe Oklahoma. Thyme, Seven,etc. are known mainly for who was involved. No info ever came out regarding those tracks. For all we know, they're a couple of Oh My God's.
Sure there's Zodiac, Atlas Shrugged, and some others, but would those have been ditched for Riyadh? I love the track, but it had a very negative response from a majority of hardcore fans.
Shackler's Revenge looks to be sticking out like a sore thumb on this track list. I just don't think he's gonna use B list tracks on his comeback album because they were leaked by hoarders over the years.
In my opinion, we are getting the A list, or at least a very big chunk of it.
I would lay pretty good odds that a lot of those titles were for songs that were going to be on the heavily industrial influenced album that this whole thing was first talked about being. Then "Oh My God" happened... Then a bunch of new songs, or at least other ideas that were out there, started getting worked on instead.
It's just a theory, but for years this was talked about as going to be NIN-ish, and it really isn't. So where are the songs that were?
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James Lofton wrote:Arcade Roses wrote:up to seven Beltrami 'tracks' could be unheard; as long as the two songs on CD + 'This I Love' are not them. Then there is the 'reworked', 'older' stuff as well.
AR
Blah. I'm not falling into that trap. I don't like where it leads.:haha: Not meant as a stab at you, just the feeling in general.
I felt Axl would put his best material on the album. Its going to be the most scrutinized album in history(and he knows this), and it wasn't gonna get overloaded with B list material.
Therefore, any song on this album must have been superior in some capacity to any track in the vault that could have replaced them. While I would love to hear what's left in the vault, its not gonna be a constant craving because it wouldn't still be in the vault if it was worthy of Chinese Democracy.
While I agree with you, why would the big A-list producer Marco Beltrami (and other fairly biggish names too) be brought in for that (supposedly substandard music for a sequel or something album)?
A List does not equal 'amazing'.
Timbaland is considered an "A list" producer, and his latest production, Chris Cornell's Scream, is a huge pile of shit.
Your argument doesn't hold water.
- Arcade Roses
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A List does not equal 'amazing'.
Timbaland is considered an "A list" producer, and his latest production, Chris Cornell's Scream, is a huge pile of shit.
Your argument doesn't hold water.
Well, to be fair, while his work with OneRepublic and a couple of others I can't remember right now (v. v. late here) was good, Beltrami is higher rated and more experienced than Timberland. Plus they are two different kinds of producers. Beltrami specialises in movies, for instance, and not so much music - as evident in (the 'Ask yourself...' section of) 'Prostitute', and why this is more an 'out the ordinary' (although sessions with GN'R would be out the ordinary for most people, even music veterans, LOL!) step for him, IIRC. Plus, Marco Beltrami has/had come in to do a few select tracks, not an entire album by a (this is of Cornell>) good but, to be honest, less epic (in name), well-known (certainly outside NA), revered, and mythical (though he is of course in his own name but again not really outside NA to my knowledge) artist.
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Saikin wrote:A List does not equal 'amazing'.
Timbaland is considered an "A list" producer, and his latest production, Chris Cornell's Scream, is a huge pile of shit.
Your argument doesn't hold water.
Well, to be fair, while his work with OneRepublic and a couple of others I can't remember right now (v. v. late here) was good, Beltrami is higher rated and more experienced than Timberland. Plus they are two different kinds of producers. Beltrami specialises in movies, for instance, and not so much music - as evident in (the 'Ask yourself...' section of) 'Prostitute', and why this is more an 'out the ordinary' (although sessions with GN'R would be out the ordinary for most people, even music veterans, LOL!) step for him, IIRC. Plus, Marco Beltrami has/had come in to do a few select tracks, not an entire album by a (this is of Cornell>) good but, to be honest, less epic (in name), well-known (certainly outside NA), revered, and mythical (though he is of course in his own name but again not really outside NA to my knowledge) artist.
Most of the basis of your argument dealt around the fact that he was A List, i was simply offering a counter example for you.
Timbaland's work with OneRepublic was abosolutely terrible. That song they played on the radio was a huge piece of shit.
I agree Beletrami is much more experienced and better than Timbaland, but that's not because he's a-list, but because of his experience.
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If Axl hires Timbaland, i'm done. Bye bye baby.
As for the topic at hand, i'll start looking forward to the next album. There's nothing else I can do. I'll run back to everything i've known in the past 10+ years.
I can't help it. It's the life of being a Guns N' Roses fan imo.
