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Re: Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election
Even if it's the Peace Corps, no elected official will ever mandate obligated civil service. Not in this country. We don't live in the same America we were in 50 years ago. If someone were to re-instate the draft or mandate some other form of civil service, half the country would bring weapons to Washington and cry revolution.
That 'fear' of the U.S. government is no longer there. After the 60's, an entire generation was convinced talking shit and saying "no" gets things done. Whether that's true or not... hopefully we won't ever have to find out.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election
I certainly oppose forcing every person to serve at some capacity in the public sector. First and foremost, our society is designed so that those who serve do so, so others won't have to. Secondly, requiring people to serve breeds apathy and lowers standards which results in waste and in the military, human loss.
Although this opinion won't be popular, I have said for a long time that I don't believe every American who reaches the age of 18 should be a citizen, at least a "citizen" as is currently defined. I wholy support requiring people to serve in some capacity (peace corps type bullshit shouldn't count) of the public sector for an undefined time (maybe 2 years) to earn the right to be a citizen; ala Starship Troopers. I would also support a voting exam that at least tests the voter for the same expectations we expect out of nationalized citizens. A current events/civics portion would also help to weed out complete morons (read swing voters.)
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election
As I said, I would re-define what citizenship meant; mainly the right to vote and hold public office. non-citizens would exist just as the 50% of Americans who don't exercise the right to vote live today. They'd be treated no differently and have the same basic constitutional rights as every "citizen" with the obvious exception being the right to vote. They could still own firearms and exercise their freedom of speech/religion/assembly, but would have no official say in the direction of the government.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election
Let me add that this is total mental masturbation and I have no delusion that something like this would ever happen. Since the majority of Americans have never done anything in that capacity; they'd fight to keep any change like that happening. This is all in my head as what I perceive the perfect government to be. In all honesty I don't fully like the idea of denying anyone the right to vote, but at the same time there are alot of uneducated people that have no vested interest in where we're going but have an equal say in what we do. The founding fathers appreciated this principle when only property owners were able to vote.
Re: Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election
Let me add that this is total mental masturbation and I have no delusion that something like this would ever happen. Since the majority of Americans have never done anything in that
Yeah, I kinda figured that which is why I didn't bash you for it. Overall it's not a horrible idea idealistically... It will never happen, but one of those things that probably might make for possibly a better country. I have similar ideas sometimes. Only it would reduce our country & citizens from being "free" to do what we want. Also, requiring people to serve would basically put us into a military state, something which we are not.
Re: Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election
It's always the democrats committing voter fraud. People like to bitch about Ohio in 2004 and claim fraud took place there. But the only fraud in Ohio in 2004 occured in Cleveland when two democratic poll workers were changing ballots from Bush to Kerry.
Florida. Both camps are guilty.
They call Republicans fear mongerers, but it's the Democrats who thrive off of fear and intimidation by running on platforms like global warming, gun-control, social security and abortion (claiming women would die in back allys) just to name a few.
Again, they are both doing it. You just gonna pretend the last 8 years didn't happen?
No one is innocent in this, but I see nothing wrong with policies that require residents to have a state issued ID to validate that they are indeed whom they claim to be and are capable to vote.
Require residents? I'm a free man in a free state? I don't require anything. Especially not something that puts me in a database like a criminal.
Democrats oppose such legislation because a substantial portion of their voter base is unable to show proof of identity when voting which of course is a huge concern for voter fraud. Obviously some people in that category are unable to legally vote for numerous reasons, so Democrats oppose legislation requiring stricter identification criteria because they thrive off of voter fraud. Then again, when they can't win outright, they follow the law to a T and they just get the opposing guy kicked off the ballot as Obama did.
I follow the principle, but a normal ID should be enough. There's certainly no need for a forced bio card mirroring schutzstaffel. As for the immigrants, strengthen the fuckin' borders. It's not rocket science. Yet your faction is 'unable' to do anything about it.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election
Current state laws don't require any form of ID. I'm not asking for a chip or bio card; just a state issued ID to prove identity. The state ID card would serve to show that the individual is a legal resident of that state and thus allowed to vote in that state. I'm interested in preventing voter fraud, and the policy supported by Republicans is of minimal if any inconvience to voters. People bringing in a water bill to show that they reside in the area they are claiming residency is not sufficient in today's political environment.
I made it quite clear that both parties pander to bias and prejudices, but Democrats are notorius for attacking Republicans for fear mongering (ask any Democrat why Bush won in 04) and I'm simply stating that the primary platform and campaign message of Democrats is that you will starve and die penniless in the streets if you don't elect us. At least when Republicans quote national security as cause for their election there is substantial evidence to show that foreign elements wish to committ acts of terroism within our boarders.
Finally, Florida has been solved for 8 years now. Bush won it fair in square. Those ballots were counted many times over and Bush came up as the victor every time. Even the NY Times stated that Bush won that election. Just because some people couldn't punch a hole in a fucking ballot or got confused and voted for the wrong person (presumably) doesn't mean we can suddenly count votes or voters that don't follow the law.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election
Riddle me this. If the electoral vote comes out to be 269 -269 (something well within possibility) who do you think Congress is going to appoint as President. Will of the people be damned. They're going to follow right down party lines and guess who holds more seats?
Re: Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election
Although this opinion won't be popular, I have said for a long time that I don't believe every American who reaches the age of 18 should be a citizen, at least a "citizen" as is currently defined. I wholy support requiring people to serve in some capacity (peace corps type bullshit shouldn't count) of the public sector for an undefined time (maybe 2 years) to earn the right to be a citizen; ala Starship Troopers. I would also support a voting exam that at least tests the voter for the same expectations we expect out of nationalized citizens. A current events/civics portion would also help to weed out complete morons (read swing voters.)
I would go further than that. Voting, the legislative, judicial and executive should all be exclusive to a smaller group educated and trained in the arts deemed necessary. Open to all of course, present citizen or not. The benefits should be great to avoid corruption, and the penalties for engaging in it total.
Elections all over the world has turned into circuses where officials are elected on tricks and bravado. And we're in total chaos because of it.
