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Re: Today's Primaries
Banking on Hillary winning Texas and Ohio in the general election is a huge mistake. She will not win Texas, and might not win Ohio either.I no longer think Hillary is electable, and there's no point in the dems allowing her to advance. Neither will get the required delegates to seal the deal, so I think the superdelegates need to knock her out of contention.
IF Hillary is the nominee, then the supers need to just back her and Obama drop out. Its time to start focusing on taking McCain down. It will be easy, but needs to happen sooner rather than later. Cant have a a fractured party going up against McCain. Even a blind, deaf, and mute candidate could defeat a democratic party fighting amongst themselves.
McCain's ONLY shot at the presidency hinges on the dems fighting an all out war in their party, and they need to end it before it gets any worse.
Obama or Hillary. Flip a coin if they have to.
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^^ You're right, Texas is not a swing state, at least not one I would bank on. But I think either dem would win Ohio. & they are talking about re-voting in Mich & Fl. I think that'd be the right think to do. Allow the people to really get a voice, not just a small % of the people who decided to vote anyway even though they thought their vote wouldn't count. Just don't do it the same day as PA.. We need $$ coming into our economy from political ads, hotels, restuarants!! Holler! 
- tejastech08
- Rep: 194
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^^ You're right, Texas is not a swing state, at least not one I would bank on. But I think either dem would win Ohio. & they are talking about re-voting in Mich & Fl. I think that'd be the right think to do. Allow the people to really get a voice, not just a small % of the people who decided to vote anyway even though they thought their vote wouldn't count. Just don't do it the same day as PA.. We need $$ coming into our economy from political ads, hotels, restuarants!! Holler!
Yes, I am all for a re-vote in Florida and Michigan, so long as Barack gets a chance to campaign. It's not fair when one candidate has the name CLINTON which automatically gives her a ton of support. It's a name brand issue and it's only fair that Obama gets a chance to campaign in those states, and in the case of Michigan, that he actually has his damn name on the ballot. 
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^^ Yeah, I can't imagine anywhere close to 50% of dems even bothered to vote, because they stated it wouldn't count. Not really fair to later count it. It'd be like a teacher giving a test saying "This won't count" then nobody studies for it, then 2 weeks later the teacher says "Ok, that test counted".
I kinda wish this would end, as do they I'm sure. I think all states should move their primary to April 22nd & just get this overwith. PA will likely be close to 50/50, so it's going on to whatever state is next, just checked wiki & it's Indiana & NC.
- tejastech08
- Rep: 194
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There's absolutely no good outcome to this because neither can win without superdelegates. Whichever side loses at the convention, they'll feel pretty pissed...and in particular if it's the side with the most votes and pledged delegates, I think it'll hurt the party in November. I personally will vote for Nader if the Democrats give the nomination to a person with less total votes pledged delegates. And that goes either way for me. I am a Barack supporter, but I do NOT want him winning through superdelegates if she passes him in pledged delegates and the popular vote.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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Obama will not win Ohio. Ohio is a red state, albeit slightly. If he couldn't win Ohio in his own primary, I don't know why you think he would win in November. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Obama is only winning states where he won't win in November. Obama won't win in Texas nor any of the other bible states. I'm certainly not saying he couldn't win in the general election, but it is anything but a one sided fight.
With regard to Michigan and Florida, there will be no re-vote. The reality is that Obama fucked up by removing his name from the ballots. This bullshit about name recognition is just that. Obama had won in Iowa and gone around making speeches. In all honesty the last thing an Obama supporter would want is a re-vote in Michigan and Florida. Hillary will win PA and she'll have the momentum going into the election. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't at least one of those two states a winner take all? Now is where you'll see the Clinton machine at its finest, calling in favors and debts, grabbing every pledged delegate and super delegate they can.
- tejastech08
- Rep: 194
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None of the Democratic states are winner-take-all. That's only in the Republican nomination race. And if campaigning in the state doesn't matter, then Obama would have lost Texas 60-40 because that's what her lead was 2-3 weeks ago. Same goes for Ohio. She still won by 10, but she was leading by 25 not too long ago.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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She didn't campaign in those states either. They were able to follow the news and watch national debates. Obama didn't gain any momentum until Super Tuesday, so she still would have won in Florida or MI. Campaigning certainly does work, but Obama has been given special treatment from the media, recent studies have shown this. I'm certainly not taking away from Obama's abilities as a debater, but all was fair in Michigan and Florida. Personally I think all delegates should have campaigned in Florida or Michigan and told the party elite to fuck off. What's more insulting, telling two states that we don't care about you and your votes mean nothing or telling a loser like Howard Dean to get bent? Are we a democracy or aren't we? Just because Obama lost in those states, shouldn't influence you to look at it objectively.
- tejastech08
- Rep: 194
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When states break the rules and the party does nothing about it, then other states begin to do the same thing. Might as well just have a national nomination election, which I think would probably be best. Hold it around now (early March).
