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Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
James wrote:One more thing on that subject (CITR-Checkmate clips)....
They realized that they were allowing too many people access to these clips to shop around for more tracks. Instead of acquiring more tracks under the table with these clips....they started getting leaked instead.
After that fiasco...they stopped using other people for this and kept it in their inner circle.
Makes sense, I'd love to know names of other tracks that are out there in private hands.
Specifically the early stuff from 1998, I know that Oklahoma is out there but i wonder if Ides Of March is. Dave Dominguez told Sp1at that those two were the most finished and given he started there in January and left seven months later there must have been pretty complete versions between January and July of 1998.According to the NY Times In 1998 studio technicians were burning as many as five CD's per week with various mixes of different songs to play Axl. I find it hard to believe none of them ever ripped any of that stuff.
We have no idea how much of that stuff is really out there sat on someones shelf or in someones locker.
Ides of March was based around a drum loop written by Dizzy. Oklahoma had lyrics, was related to the Oklahoma bombing. That's all I remember now
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
Yeah thats right. It's thanks to you that we have much of the info we do.
"As far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken).(Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05).
It was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. ''I was sitting in litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing,'' .'' (Axl Rolling Stone. 2000) That was two days after Duff and Izzy recorded Toothpuller, Machine gun, down by the sea in April 95
“I was a staff engineer at Rumbo Recorders and was about to quit or lose my mind . I thought it was time to get what clients I had (practically none) and get out. The manager came to me and said Guns was coming in to do their next record and they had no producer or engineer and that needed someone with experience so I said "yes" and she also said they would be writing for two months and then recording for two months and they would be it (haha) seven months later. I bailed on good terms with Axl and the band but not with the studio”.(David Dominguez Sp1at)
“Most of the songs had working titles but I know that "Oklahoma" and "Ides of March" were songs that were almost complete.(David Dominguez Sp1at)
“Some were three seconds long, some were three minutes long. Sometimes it was just a guitar lick. ‘Oh, that’s cool.’ They were transferred to CD. Everything had an ID and a number, then the CDs were made for each member of the band. They could go, OK, on set four, CD three, idea 15, let’s do something with that.’ Then everybody would take their CD home, get the part and write something to that. It was intense.(David Dominguez Producer 2010.12.DD - What's On Dubai)
I believe the ID system is on the locker leak discs too. The Rebel is J587 278 for example, makes me wonder how many of those discs there were in total
Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
Yeah thats right. It's thanks to you that we have much of the info we do.
"As far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken).(Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05).
It was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. ''I was sitting in litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing,'' .'' (Axl Rolling Stone. 2000) That was two days after Duff and Izzy recorded Toothpuller, Machine gun, down by the sea in April 95
“I was a staff engineer at Rumbo Recorders and was about to quit or lose my mind . I thought it was time to get what clients I had (practically none) and get out. The manager came to me and said Guns was coming in to do their next record and they had no producer or engineer and that needed someone with experience so I said "yes" and she also said they would be writing for two months and then recording for two months and they would be it (haha) seven months later. I bailed on good terms with Axl and the band but not with the studio”.(David Dominguez Sp1at)
“Most of the songs had working titles but I know that "Oklahoma" and "Ides of March" were songs that were almost complete.(David Dominguez Sp1at)
“Some were three seconds long, some were three minutes long. Sometimes it was just a guitar lick. ‘Oh, that’s cool.’ They were transferred to CD. Everything had an ID and a number, then the CDs were made for each member of the band. They could go, OK, on set four, CD three, idea 15, let’s do something with that.’ Then everybody would take their CD home, get the part and write something to that. It was intense.(David Dominguez Producer 2010.12.DD - What's On Dubai)
I believe the ID system is on the locker leak discs too. The Rebel is J587 278 for example, makes me wonder how many of those discs there were in total
All this kinda confirms that Oklahoma and Ides of March are completed, I would die to hear an studio version of Oklahoma with Slash on It or even the leaked one seems so good
Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
Yeah thats right. It's thanks to you that we have much of the info we do.
"As far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken).(Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05).
It was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. ''I was sitting in litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing,'' .'' (Axl Rolling Stone. 2000) That was two days after Duff and Izzy recorded Toothpuller, Machine gun, down by the sea in April 95
“I was a staff engineer at Rumbo Recorders and was about to quit or lose my mind . I thought it was time to get what clients I had (practically none) and get out. The manager came to me and said Guns was coming in to do their next record and they had no producer or engineer and that needed someone with experience so I said "yes" and she also said they would be writing for two months and then recording for two months and they would be it (haha) seven months later. I bailed on good terms with Axl and the band but not with the studio”.(David Dominguez Sp1at)
“Most of the songs had working titles but I know that "Oklahoma" and "Ides of March" were songs that were almost complete.(David Dominguez Sp1at)
“Some were three seconds long, some were three minutes long. Sometimes it was just a guitar lick. ‘Oh, that’s cool.’ They were transferred to CD. Everything had an ID and a number, then the CDs were made for each member of the band. They could go, OK, on set four, CD three, idea 15, let’s do something with that.’ Then everybody would take their CD home, get the part and write something to that. It was intense.(David Dominguez Producer 2010.12.DD - What's On Dubai)
I believe the ID system is on the locker leak discs too. The Rebel is J587 278 for example, makes me wonder how many of those discs there were in total
Ahh, that's cool and quite detailed. It was such a long time ago now lol.
I was doing alot of promoting years ago, so it was a fun thing on the side. The promoter game was a stress so it was good to do something else. When promoting, you are putting your own money out there and you only break even if 90% of the tickets are sold, then you make a bit extra from merch and refreshments. Ticket master make more because they own the venues so it's hard to compete
Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
James wrote:Oh there was definitely more to that leak.
Hell...the Chairman even admitted this with the "more rasp" line.
There was also other trades going on at the same time.
We all know who the Chairman is right? It's fairly common knowledge who was writing those poems and who was supplying the tracks.
Are we allowed to say in public?
Based on who it is - I'd be surprised if they were holding on to more material given their pre-2019 track record.
You mean the guy who leaked the original (and let's face it is the source for almost everything leaked since) Catcher/There Was A Time/I.R.S. versions almost 20 years ago that sound like just lower quality rips than the versions he leaked in 19?
I'm ultra skeptical he didn't have much of the rick stuff beforehand. I think you guys have always been way too believing in dark, even through those silly games/riddles.
I wouldn't be shocked if the reason dark leaked that stuff, is the fact that alot of it was gonna trickle out anyway.
Like many of you I'm glad we got to hear the music anyway, I just do not believe someone who has 2 decades worth of history playing games on the Internet is just conviently telling the true story on the thing we just happen to care about the most.
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Side bar - atlas shrugged (with may) was 1 of the demos played to those at Classic Rock with the leaks in the mid 2006s. So I think that 99 (00 mix) was probably in circulation privately and somehow just not spread publicly.
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
Shacklermyrye wrote:Yeah thats right. It's thanks to you that we have much of the info we do.
"As far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken).(Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05).
It was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. ''I was sitting in litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing,'' .'' (Axl Rolling Stone. 2000) That was two days after Duff and Izzy recorded Toothpuller, Machine gun, down by the sea in April 95
“I was a staff engineer at Rumbo Recorders and was about to quit or lose my mind . I thought it was time to get what clients I had (practically none) and get out. The manager came to me and said Guns was coming in to do their next record and they had no producer or engineer and that needed someone with experience so I said "yes" and she also said they would be writing for two months and then recording for two months and they would be it (haha) seven months later. I bailed on good terms with Axl and the band but not with the studio”.(David Dominguez Sp1at)
“Most of the songs had working titles but I know that "Oklahoma" and "Ides of March" were songs that were almost complete.(David Dominguez Sp1at)
“Some were three seconds long, some were three minutes long. Sometimes it was just a guitar lick. ‘Oh, that’s cool.’ They were transferred to CD. Everything had an ID and a number, then the CDs were made for each member of the band. They could go, OK, on set four, CD three, idea 15, let’s do something with that.’ Then everybody would take their CD home, get the part and write something to that. It was intense.(David Dominguez Producer 2010.12.DD - What's On Dubai)
I believe the ID system is on the locker leak discs too. The Rebel is J587 278 for example, makes me wonder how many of those discs there were in total
Ahh, that's cool and quite detailed. It was such a long time ago now lol.
I was doing alot of promoting years ago, so it was a fun thing on the side. The promoter game was a stress so it was good to do something else. When promoting, you are putting your own money out there and you only break even if 90% of the tickets are sold, then you make a bit extra from merch and refreshments. Ticket master make more because they own the venues so it's hard to compete
Thanks man, who did you promote? Anyone we know?
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
Looks like this youtuber has done a video on the locker leaks. Rick is in the comments section and the guy has invited him on the show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2NbgyaLjh0
