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- jimmythegent
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Re: Predictions for the next decade?
Would be a hell of a shame to not get it together enough to put together one more album to bookend their career. Axl really does seem to operate on a completely different schedule - a glacial pace to release anything and then when it arrives, it's full of amateurish mixing decisions, liner notes strewn with errors and artwork that looks like a 16 year old on photoshop could have whipped it up in half an hour. Why do they not hire the absolute best in class for these types of things?
- elevendayempire
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Re: Predictions for the next decade?
Would be a hell of a shame to not get it together enough to put together one more album to bookend their career. Axl really does seem to operate on a completely different schedule - a glacial pace to release anything and then when it arrives, it's full of amateurish mixing decisions, liner notes strewn with errors and artwork that looks like a 16 year old on photoshop could have whipped it up in half an hour. Why do they not hire the absolute best in class for these types of things?
It's so weird when you compare them to probably their closest peers in terms of stature and clout, Metallica. Just look at their YouTube channel; every week there's a new live performance of a song. They're tapping into the zeitgeist in a savvy way, inviting the guy from Stranger Things to jam with the band (why didn't GN'R make more of the Thor movie's massive endorsement of them?). There are lengthy interviews with former band members. There are videos pulled from vintage gigs to tie in with special box set releases. There are live-streamed gigs.
And that's just one promotional channel. 'Tallica's also doing regular album releases, reissues, the promo circuit, etc etc. GN'R has this baffling inability to monetise one of the strongest back catalogues in rock.
- Tortilla_Man
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Re: Predictions for the next decade?
GnR /TB plan of Action!
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Nothingness and silence , then tour.
Followed by nothingness and silence, then tour.
(Repeat)
Re: Predictions for the next decade?
jimmythegent wrote:Would be a hell of a shame to not get it together enough to put together one more album to bookend their career. Axl really does seem to operate on a completely different schedule - a glacial pace to release anything and then when it arrives, it's full of amateurish mixing decisions, liner notes strewn with errors and artwork that looks like a 16 year old on photoshop could have whipped it up in half an hour. Why do they not hire the absolute best in class for these types of things?
It's so weird when you compare them to probably their closest peers in terms of stature and clout, Metallica. Just look at their YouTube channel; every week there's a new live performance of a song. They're tapping into the zeitgeist in a savvy way, inviting the guy from Stranger Things to jam with the band (why didn't GN'R make more of the Thor movie's massive endorsement of them?). There are lengthy interviews with former band members. There are videos pulled from vintage gigs to tie in with special box set releases. There are live-streamed gigs.
And that's just one promotional channel. 'Tallica's also doing regular album releases, reissues, the promo circuit, etc etc. GN'R has this baffling inability to monetise one of the strongest back catalogues in rock.
Yeah...when I see my other favorite bands...Pink Floyd, Soundgarden, Fleetwood Mac, and even Metallica...do various releases and how they roll them out, it really makes GNR stand out. It shines a light on how horribly mismanaged they are.
Even when something happens...such as the example you mentioned (superhero movie), they do absolutely nothing. It's not even worthy of comment.
About a year or two ago...a Fleetwood Mac song went viral on TikTok to the point it charted again. It caused Stevie Nicks to comment. GNR would just act like it never happened.
The only thing they really do other than tour is a constant stream of shitty merch. The least they could do is hire some amazing artists.
I said it 14 years ago .. they should've hired Evo members Dreamline and Elmir. They created that incredible GNR logo from scratch and it's still better than any official logo.
Re: Predictions for the next decade?
I think frankly they don't care. It's a job, the money is rolling in. He doesn't want to deal with anything and he doesn't have to. Other two are fine with it. We're lucky he still cares enough to release a couple of his old demo tapes. That's supposed to be part of their marketing too and see how they're handling that.
Like Izzy said, it's just a joke now.
Re: Predictions for the next decade?
ClaudeF wrote:At what point does the mainstream public and press view the delayed "20th anniversary" UYI box as a joke?
If it isn't announced in the next month or so as a potential Christmas buying season item, they will have to push it back to 2023.
22nd anniversary? Not exactly a milestone ...
One of the problems with a UYI set is that it doesn't even generate much hardcore fan interest/buzz for a number of reasons....
While the contents of the AFD set were ok, they pissed people off with the ridiculous price.
The off year anniversaries are amateur hour and don't inspire any confidence.
The GNR camp refuse to give any info about it. Pink Floyd... people known for their dysfunction and hatred of one another.... actually give updates on their upcoming Animals set....but an actual band is incapable of communication?!?
If the UYI set lacks video, it's going to piss fans off even more than the lack of AFD video did. They bragged for years about the mountains of video footage of the tour...to then not release any for its anniversary would be a slap in the face.
We live in a world where people expect a certain level of bang for their buck when it comes to purchasing deluxe editions and box sets. While some artists can get away with offering minimal content, it's not going to work here.
It's time to celebrate and wrap up the era with the definitive set. They get one crack at this. Give it the justice it deserves.
As we've talked about a bit over the years, the passage of time has done UYI no favors. They have dropped out of the major media outlets "Best song/album/videos of the 1990s" lists in articles and TV shows over the past decade or so. A lot of hardcore fans no longer listen to them. Within a decade or so, it'll probably be looked back on as famous for one song(November Rain).... maybe two(YCBM).
The crazy hype and infamous tour are slipping through the cracks of time. A killer set might save it...or a bad one quicken its downfall.
Edit
Here's how Pink Floyd handled the Animals 5.1 remix set coming out in a couple weeks...
They gave us Dogs...which is incredible.
Amazing they even gave us that because the song is essentially half the album.
And a couple vids to wet our appetite....
Only complaint there is it's too short.
Looks like they got rid of that short with the dog barking.
We're probably lucky to have gotten this one. As you can see, the remix was finished in 2018.
I’d argue it’s less the passage of time specifically for the UYIs and more that GN’R are seen as a nostalgia act. Their marketing over the past 20 years has been consistently AFD focused, until 2016 Axl played very few UYI songs.
If the UYIs are downplayed it’s because Axl has spent 25 years downplaying them himself. He has tried to very consciously appeal to a segment of Gen X that is highly nostalgic for the 80s, and not so much the early 90s
So, how can you expect the albums to continue in the public consciousness when the band that made them doesn’t promote and support them and none of their marketing is about them?
Axl/GN’R for almost 20 years have acted as if AFD was their only album, so in a time that is increasingly far from 1991, it feels in the public consciousness as if AFD was indeed their only album
I’d argue against the idea that the hardcore fans don’t listen to them. I think anyone who disliked the UYIs out of the gate in 91 hasn’t changed their minds and anyone who liked them still enjoys them, in terms of the hard cores.
But beyond that, what is GN’R remembered for in the mainstream? SCOM, Jungle, PC, YCBM, KOHD, NR and a fifteen year wait for an album generally considered by the mainstream to be subpar.
I would argue that GN’R in general and AFD doesn’t have the cultural importance (beyond 80s nostalgia) that they did as a contemporary artistic force that they did in 2002 or even 2006.
They’re squarely a nostalgia act, one whose appeal diminishes more and more with time as we move further and further from the “hair metal” era, which they’re associated with even though GNR was not hair metal
Re: Predictions for the next decade?
Shitty merch, James? How can you say that when they just released the Appetite 35th Anniversary Collection?
