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Randall Flagg
 Rep: 139 

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I just finished the 68 pages of Alito's opinion.  I might read the appendix later.  I fully support abortion, but those aghast at Alito's ruling are going to struggle to answer and address the problems Alito poses.  Highly recommend reading his argument before predicting doom and gloom or calling him a legal hack.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000180 … 4f98520000

misterID
 Rep: 476 

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misterID wrote:

Roe has nothing to do with religion. It’s about state vs federal powers.

misterID
 Rep: 476 

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misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
James wrote:

Holy shit ...looks like the Supreme Court is on the verge of overturning Roe.

It just leaked.

Looks like they aren't wasting any time getting ready.....







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This is a wake up call to feminists....

Fucking 10 men in a row is not "empowering".

Turning feminism into a trans movement was not "progressive".

Time to get back to real issues before you lose everything.

Or…you can look at these justices who are putting their personal religious beliefs into the law.

It’s pretty disgusting the justices Trump put there get to rewrite everything.

It’s also a shame that people like you get to point at the trans people over and over again and blame them for everything.

This right here is why i just can’t bring myself to vote for a Republican. Religious aspects of our control continuously get shoved down our throat. These people are disgusting hypocrites….‘we’re pro-life’ until it comes time to feed, shelter and protect your future.

Religion has nothing to do with it, the Supreme Court neither writes law or rewrites it, they interpret it. Again, this is about Federal vs State power. I believe it does become intestate commerce if states ban abortions, forcing WOMEN to cross state lines. It’s also a civil liberties question.

He’s not blaming trans people for anything, but blaming progressives for their ridiculous bullshit.

James
 Rep: 664 

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James wrote:

It’s also a shame that people like you get to point at the trans people over and over again and blame them for everything.

I'm not blaming trans for it at all. I blame the extreme left and feminists in general for fully embracing an obvious Trojan Horse that wasted no time whatsoever turning feminism into a men's rights group. Every single thing liberal feminism supports now puts men front and center.... from pornography, hook up culture, that poly shit, the destruction of lesbian culture, and yes...the trans movement.

None of this is new. Real feminists have been complaining about this for years...and have been warning people that something like this would happen....and they have been silenced across most platforms.

Now one of the things they said would be a major consequence of drifting away from women's issues is now here.

misterID
 Rep: 476 

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misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

I just finished the 68 pages of Alito's opinion.  I might read the appendix later.  I fully support abortion, but those aghast at Alito's ruling are going to struggle to answer and address the problems Alito poses.  Highly recommend reading his argument before predicting doom and gloom or calling him a legal hack.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000180 … 4f98520000

And he doesn’t mention wanting to eliminate gay marriage, which has been spreading over social media. And I can’t stand Alito!

Nice to see you back.

James
 Rep: 664 

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James wrote:

Glad to see you back. I wondered what had happened.

At least I didn't announce your death....

Randall Flagg
 Rep: 139 

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misterID wrote:

Roe has nothing to do with religion. It’s about state vs federal powers.

I'd argue it's not even that simple.  It's about the Court creating a right in opposition to 600 years of English common law and nearly 200 years of American law to create a right that was immediately re-worked 20 years later in Casey and still is without legal precedent.  Why is viability the line in the sand, where does that premise come from, and what statute exists to define viability. 

I feel horrible for the teenagers and women in Southern states that will soon be legally denied all access to abortion.  There is no doubt that at least 13 states will ban all abortion the moment this decision is made public.  But I also hold accountable the progressive states that all but legalized infanticide in the past couple years in their desire to move the bar ever leftward. 

I hope congress can codify abortion into law as nearly every western nation has without relying on the concept of viability or a right to abortion inferred from a right to privacy.  But I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.  I don't think it will have much of an impact on the midterms.  The left has been predicting this outcome for decades, and the aftermath won't align with their doom and gloom.  Mississippi is going to be Mississippi and New York is going to be New York.  With recession on the horizon and inflation at record numbers, convincing the public that abortions after 15 weeks are necessary for a free society and the biggest issue of our time is going to be a hard sell.  Especially when most of Europe and the world is already aligned with the outcome of Alito's decision assuming it is in fact real and 4 other justices sign on.

Randall Flagg
 Rep: 139 

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I'm always lurking.  Just don't feel the need to increase my post count or echo what others have already said.

misterID
 Rep: 476 

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misterID wrote:

A real court case would be: prove life begins at conception. How can a state legally prevent a medical procedure? How forcing someone to travel across state lines for a medical procedure is not a federal issue, and not grounds for federal protections? How is an abortion not a civil liberties issue — see the first question.

As much shit as *Trump’s judges get, they are constitutionalists. Bush’s judges were Christian conservatives. Alito is a Bush Judge… though Roberts is proving to be a constitutional justice.

mitchejw
 Rep: 131 

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mitchejw wrote:
misterID wrote:

Roe has nothing to do with religion. It’s about state vs federal powers.

It is absolutely about religion….are you crazy?!

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