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Absolutely not. That's a quick slide into an elite plutocracy. Just because you hate an election result doesn't mean the answer is blowing up the system so you have one ruling class. Trump was a protest vote against the wealthy elite by the working class.... They obviously didn't get the message.
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Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:This is....concerning...
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey aroused controversy after labeling a Medium article “great” that claimed there’s no “bipartisan way forward” in the United States and that the country is engaged in a “fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order.”
Dorsey shared the Medium article on his personal Twitter account Thursday night, with the accompanying acclaim that it was a “great read.”
Great read https://t.co/O2djSQf8Qv — jack (@jack) April 6, 2018
Author and media consultant Peter Leyden and political commentator Ruy Teixeira argued in the article titled “The Great Lesson of California in America’s New Civil War” that America is already in the midst of a second major domestic conflict of sorts and the way out is for the rest of the country to imitate California.“In this current period of American politics, at this juncture in our history, there’s no way that a bipartisan path provides the way forward,” they wrote. “The way forward is on the path California blazed about 15 years ago.”
Essentially, the authors called for a complete marginalization of the Republican Party and its voters since they only care “about rule by and for billionaires at the expense of working people” and not “average citizens.”
California, despite its mass wealth inequality, growing lack of social cohesion, poverty, and soaring housing costs “provides a model for America as a whole,” according to Leyden and Teixeira. Interestingly enough, they claimed the state’s economy is booming, although arguably not for long. They also oddly claimed the state is running on surpluses without acknowledging its debt crisis.
“The public is happy with its political leaders,” they noted. However, California Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, has a 44 percent approval rating. The article also does not acknowledge that the state has seen tens of thousands of residents leave annually for the last few years.
Leyden and Teixeira are somewhat correct that America currently faces a dialectic of “two political cultures already at odds through different political ideologies, philosophies.” Yet, they do not call for Democrats to try to understand their political adversaries.
Instead, they proposed Americans “take the Republican Party down for a generation or two” in order to save the country.
“America can’t afford more political paralysis. One side or the other must win. This is a civil war that can be won without firing a shot. But it is a fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order,” Leyden and Teixeira asserted.
Dorsey’s tweet comes in the midst of growing concerns about his website’s treatment of conservatives. Over the last few years, Twitter has banned a number of right-wing accounts that it says violate the site’s terms of service.
Critics say the site is selective in who it punishes and engages in so-called “shadowbanning,” which effectively makes a user’s post invisible to others without officially taking the account down.
Twitter has denied these allegations.
Dorsey’s tweet brings up a more fundamental question: If he agrees that the country is in the state of crisis that Leyden and Teixeira believe, does he feel an obligation to use all tools at his disposal to help the Democrats “win” this alleged second Civil War? Is Twitter — a social media site with considerable influence over the media’s day-to-day narrative — a vehicle for Dorsey to help accomplish this goal?
If the country is in as dire of a position as the Medium article claimed, how can Dorsey not feel an obligation to help steer the country away from collapse?
Dorsey did not respond to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment via Twitter after he disputed DCNF reporter Peter J. Hasson’s tweet that he “loves” Leyden’s piece.
I don’t think the premise is entirely flawed. Our hyper partisanship has made a constructive debate or discussion on many issues irreconcilable. On both sides of the aisle, people refuse to even have an intelligent discussion.
I think any effort to ostracize or remove republicans will backfire, with the 2016 election a great example of what happens when the elite and media attempt to condescend to the plebes.
The Democratic Party is going to fracture in the next few years. It can’t be the party of progressive values and cater to the blue collar working man. The GOP isn’t much better, but the tea party is dying out and they never had the control or push the far left has over the Dems.
But if you ever wanted evidence of fascism or authoritarian behavior, that article provides it. Whenever someone tells you ideas are too dangerous and not to question their narrative, you know they’re selling you a load of bullshit. Unfortunately a narrative has been implanted in the youth that the more extreme your views are, the more intelligent you must be. They want a Marxist revolution, but lack the testicular fortitude to make it happen. Social media has given them an illusion of power, but the people with the guns (military and police)are firmly in the law and order camp.
There is substantial evidence and economic theory to support the idea that republican policies lead to oligarchy....and l don’t think that’s good either.
It’s fair to say lower taxes leads to more money flooding into the private sector. The problem is what happens to it once it gets there.
Wages are stagnant...they have been for a long time. The whole republican philosophy on this is to keep labor cheap. I have a real problem with the Donald Trumps of the world who really have no skills to offer outside of money but seem to have a lot of control. What incentive does that person have to participate in the economy fairly? They don’t. So labor is squeezed for productivity and reimbursed the least. Trump always takes care of himself. Time and time again when Trumps projects failed (casinos, steaks, schools) many people were left in the lurch. Trump came out the better.
Those types of business practices hurt the economy as a whole.
And you think the Democrats are the party to resolve this? Particularly the Sanders/Warren wing of the party? The party that has been the champions of black americans since the 1920s, whom are still the poorest and least educated demographic. The party that wants open borders and a non-stop influx of poor, uneducated migrants that keep wages low and who ironically compete for the same jobs other disenfranchised groups desire.
At least Trump is engaged with the lower, working middle class. His tax cut helps them, while the Democrats ACA harmed these same people by making health insurance unaffordable for anyone who doesn't get insurance through their employer or aren't below the poverty line.
This isn't some cheerleader post about how great the GOP and Trump are. I don't think that at all. But the idea that the Democrats are better suited to address the concerns you posted is to ignore that the party has completely abandoned the middle class and middle america. If you're not a person of color or destitute, the Democratic party isn't interested in you.
- Randall Flagg
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Thoughts on the potential conflict with Russia?
I don't think direct conflict will happen, as media reports have already made it clear Trump will give the Russians adequate time to vacate any potential strike area. I don't like the idea of trying to topple Assad. Democracy is great in 1st world countries, elsewhere it doesn't really exist. We remove Assad, and we lack the capability to control who replaces him. Russia and Iran are going to have opinions on that as well, and Russia has made it clear that Syria and Assad is their proxy. Strikes at ISIS or similar organizations is fine by me, but we can't waste billions on another country who won't be an ally in the traditional sense once we depart.
War with Russia and China I think is inevitable, as they aren't interested in playing by the same rules as the west. Most of Europe is naive enough to think world peace can happen organically and without bloodshed. Americans have become fat and lazy, clueless that they exist in a bubble that could burst at any second. Some of our leaders are more worried about what pronouns to use and how "mean" our immigration policy is, and don't have a clue of the real dangers that exist.
In short, I don't think we have the stomach or heart to win a real war. I hope I'm wrong, but when less than 1% of your country has ever served in the military, we're not in great shape. Both China and Russia are competing to create AI tech to manage their military powers, and if we allow them to beat us, we've already lost.
If it goes nuclear I'm not interested in sticking around to look at the rubble. Cyberwarfare is where it's at, and I don't think we're prepared to utilize it to its full capabilities.
It may be time for some cold war era CIA shit. I'd tear up the space agreements and put satellites in orbit next week that can shoot down any ICBMs. It's clear our adversaries aren't using the same rule book we are.
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mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:I don’t think the premise is entirely flawed. Our hyper partisanship has made a constructive debate or discussion on many issues irreconcilable. On both sides of the aisle, people refuse to even have an intelligent discussion.
I think any effort to ostracize or remove republicans will backfire, with the 2016 election a great example of what happens when the elite and media attempt to condescend to the plebes.
The Democratic Party is going to fracture in the next few years. It can’t be the party of progressive values and cater to the blue collar working man. The GOP isn’t much better, but the tea party is dying out and they never had the control or push the far left has over the Dems.
But if you ever wanted evidence of fascism or authoritarian behavior, that article provides it. Whenever someone tells you ideas are too dangerous and not to question their narrative, you know they’re selling you a load of bullshit. Unfortunately a narrative has been implanted in the youth that the more extreme your views are, the more intelligent you must be. They want a Marxist revolution, but lack the testicular fortitude to make it happen. Social media has given them an illusion of power, but the people with the guns (military and police)are firmly in the law and order camp.
There is substantial evidence and economic theory to support the idea that republican policies lead to oligarchy....and l don’t think that’s good either.
It’s fair to say lower taxes leads to more money flooding into the private sector. The problem is what happens to it once it gets there.
Wages are stagnant...they have been for a long time. The whole republican philosophy on this is to keep labor cheap. I have a real problem with the Donald Trumps of the world who really have no skills to offer outside of money but seem to have a lot of control. What incentive does that person have to participate in the economy fairly? They don’t. So labor is squeezed for productivity and reimbursed the least. Trump always takes care of himself. Time and time again when Trumps projects failed (casinos, steaks, schools) many people were left in the lurch. Trump came out the better.
Those types of business practices hurt the economy as a whole.
And you think the Democrats are the party to resolve this? Particularly the Sanders/Warren wing of the party? The party that has been the champions of black americans since the 1920s, whom are still the poorest and least educated demographic. The party that wants open borders and a non-stop influx of poor, uneducated migrants that keep wages low and who ironically compete for the same jobs other disenfranchised groups desire.
At least Trump is engaged with the lower, working middle class. His tax cut helps them, while the Democrats ACA harmed these same people by making health insurance unaffordable for anyone who doesn't get insurance through their employer or aren't below the poverty line.
This isn't some cheerleader post about how great the GOP and Trump are. I don't think that at all. But the idea that the Democrats are better suited to address the concerns you posted is to ignore that the party has completely abandoned the middle class and middle america. If you're not a person of color or destitute, the Democratic party isn't interested in you.
I just disagree that it really helped the lower and middle class....first the tax cuts have only existed for 3 months? There’s no real data on this and selectively picked articles about raises here and there won’t convince me. For every article like that i can find company’s closing up shop and still moving across the border. Net gain? Zero.
I’d like the speak on more points but it’s hard to do via phone.
- Randall Flagg
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I pre-ordered Comey’s book and am eagerly waiting to watch his interview. But since Comey says the only request Trump gave him was TO INVESTIGATE the Steele dossier to show its falseness, doesn’t that further prove no collusion?
Comey testified Trump was never under investigation for collusion. Mueller has allegedly stated Trump isn’t a criminal suspect.
The whole purpose of this investigation, the calls for impeachment, the boycotts of the inauguration and state of the union, was because Democrats claimed collusion. It didn’t happen.
Mitch at least is honest and admits all he wants is something to hurt Trump. Which we all know is what everyone on the left truly desires. Isn’t that enough to call this whole thing a farce?
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I really wish Kasich would have accepted the VP position.
Do you really blame him for not though? Especially in hindsight?
I wish there was a process by which we could just insert him right now. If i were to vote in the republican primaries, he’s who i would’ve picked.
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I pre-ordered Comey’s book and am eagerly waiting to watch his interview. But since Comey says the only request Trump gave him was TO INVESTIGATE the Steele dossier to show its falseness, doesn’t that further prove no collusion?
Comey testified Trump was never under investigation for collusion. Mueller has allegedly stated Trump isn’t a criminal suspect.
The whole purpose of this investigation, the calls for impeachment, the boycotts of the inauguration and state of the union, was because Democrats claimed collusion. It didn’t happen.
Mitch at least is honest and admits all he wants is something to hurt Trump. Which we all know is what everyone on the left truly desires. Isn’t that enough to call this whole thing a farce?
Just to clarify my stance...it was never really the Republican Party that i hated....it was always Trump....and now i cannot discern between the two anymore. Trump is the Republican Party.
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misterID wrote:I really wish Kasich would have accepted the VP position.
Do you really blame him for not though? Especially in hindsight?
I wish there was a process by which we could just insert him right now. If i were to vote in the republican primaries, he’s who i would’ve picked.
I've thought about this and I can see it, but if you see an incapable person taking office, no matter how big a scumbag, you'd want to protect the country even more.
I can't believe Comey talked shit about Trump's hair, hands, tan, marriage, etc was bush league and petty and there was no reason for it.
