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- Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:misterID wrote:You have no idea what you're a talking about. Yes, it needs to be fixed but it did a lot of good. So, let's not ignore that.
Did only 2 good things and I would argue really only one: GOT RID OF PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT DID NOTHING TO REGULATE ABUSE. NOTHING. In fact abuse is worse now than ever. It did nothing to reward a healthy life style. It did nothing to punish the unhealthy lifestyle people so that they have incentive financially to get healthy. It made rates for self employeed people (like me) sky rocket. Pre Obama care here were my increases: $135, 151, 181, 183 per month. Yes it increased but nothing crazy. I now pay for a shittier insurance over $400 per month lol. That is over $2,600 more per year for no fucking reason at all. Lol. So for me, I pay more, and get less. My deductible and all that shit is higher now than when I was at $183. Lol.
Seriously, go do some real research outside your right wing blogs and websites about why you have those problems....
Tell me specifically what the bill did to curtail costs and was that effective???
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misterID wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:Dude, don't waste your breath. ID still thinks Republicans helped write Obamacare, citing a figure his own politifact article said was false. There's no reasoning with these people. Mitch and SLC are bonafide on meds, but as my grandfather used to say, "you run around with shit, it's bound to rub off."
Just ignore them. They're not even honest in what they believe and will ignore their own quotes about what they said. They just want to argue and believe everything Barry did was awesome and Trump is incapable of doing anything right.
Lyin Randy strikes again. I never said they helped him write the bill. Goddamn you're a HUGE liar. I did not quote anything false, to the contrary, the article was about exaggerated figures, but not the fact that republicans added over one hundred amendments, which you continue to lie about them existing. You're such a liar you asked me to name one amendment and one congressman that added anything to the bill. I did, and you're little Lyin mind couldn't handle it.
I like Barry, and Trump hasn't done anything right. But you're both liars, so you got that in common.
You're so fucking disingenuous and dishonest. I don't know why I fucking bother, but here it goes. You said Obamacare failed because of too many concessions to Republicans. I call bullshit, and challenge you to name a single concession or show any republicans that worked to draft the bill.
You come back with a cherry picked article from Politifact, that outright says Obama's claim of 700+ republican amendments is false. You then try to claim a Republican worked on a bill, ignoring the fact he left and called it a fucking "Democratic" bill because they wouldn't listen to a single one of his ideas. That's your sleazy way of trying to claim some technical accuracy since a Republican tried to sit in a room, that it somehow shows it was bipartisan. Completely fucking ignoring that not a single Republican idea was used, completely negating any sense of bi-partisanship. HE WALKED THE FUCK AWAY BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE BIPARTISAN! Are you that fucking stupid or a fucking egotistical prick that you are so dubious in your bullshit fucking claim that anyone but Democrats wrote, voted on, and own that fucking bill.
Then to be even more fucking stupid, completely undercutting your original claim "too many concessions made to Republicans" (YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FUCKING REASON WE STARTED THIS LINE OF DISCUSSION), you try to say that because an alleged 156 amendments were adopted, that shows bipartisanship. EXCEPT YOU SKIP THE PART OF THE ARTICLE THAT SAYS THAT'S ALSO BULLSHIT, BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS FOR THE MOST EGREGIOUS ERRORS. ALL BUT 2 PASSED WITH UNANIMOUS CONSENT BECAUSE THEY WERE NON-CONTROVERSIAL AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FUCKING SETUP OF THE LAW." The article says they were technical amendments, that were unanimously passed. THERE WAS NO FUCKING CONCESSION, BECAUSE THEY NEVER VOTED ON ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS that actually changed the bill.
So I'll ask your dipshit ass one more final fucking time, "WHAT CONCESSIONS DID THE DEMOCRATS GIVE TO REPUBLICANS THAT MADE THE BILL BAD!" Call out the fucking change to the bill that Republicans magically got Democrats to accept that broke the bill.
You said too many republican concessions fucked the bill. Be an intelligent adult and admit you were fucking wrong, or shut the fuck up. No one who isn't a complete fucking moron understands that your argument is bunk, partisan horseshit.
And that says nothing to the 9/11 Truther (remember guys, he really believes the US government killed 3k of its own people so Bush could go to war. This is who he is. No different than a disgusting bigot protesting interracial marriage or cheering on people's funerals) who is so fucking dense, he can't accept that the Democrats wrote a bad fucking bill in the dead of night and passed it in the sleaziest way possible. Clinton and Chicago politics at its finest. Too fucking stupid to realize you can't blame Rubio for not agreeing to the band-aid fix Democrats wanted to pass after their fucked up bill started to fail.
It's all the fucking Republicans' fault. These two dipshits don't understand their party wrote the bill, their president used an illegal use of executive power to delay the bad parts from kicking in, and now it is ruining healthcare because their grand social experiment failed. WHen idiots repeat this garbage, tell them to fuck off and pick up a real newspaper.
Rather than facts, they deflect, move goal posts, deny what they've said, and resort to calling you a liar. They're intellectually bankrupt and still to fucking stupid to realize that's why they and their party are out of fucking power at virtually every level of American government. The people caught on to bullshit. And these guys are full of it.
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Trump will emerge clean from the Muller investigation.
Obama Care is a debacle, but we need to fix. There needs to be accountability. Obama Care had no accountability what so ever.
Ok so here's the deal...I think I know now what republicans mean by "accountability."
I think it means people who rack up enormous student loan debt should accept lesser and lesser compensation and be "accountable."
Because no one made you go to college...and you're damn right Betsy devos will come after your ass regarding student loan issues.
So let's all just be villified health care providers. You know...like how Republicans turned on teachers...now let's turn on healthcare because we're (just like teachers) just greedy fucks feeding off socialist policies.
I think I get it now.
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misterID wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:Dude, don't waste your breath. ID still thinks Republicans helped write Obamacare, citing a figure his own politifact article said was false. There's no reasoning with these people. Mitch and SLC are bonafide on meds, but as my grandfather used to say, "you run around with shit, it's bound to rub off."
Just ignore them. They're not even honest in what they believe and will ignore their own quotes about what they said. They just want to argue and believe everything Barry did was awesome and Trump is incapable of doing anything right.
Lyin Randy strikes again. I never said they helped him write the bill. Goddamn you're a HUGE liar. I did not quote anything false, to the contrary, the article was about exaggerated figures, but not the fact that republicans added over one hundred amendments, which you continue to lie about them existing. You're such a liar you asked me to name one amendment and one congressman that added anything to the bill. I did, and you're little Lyin mind couldn't handle it.
I like Barry, and Trump hasn't done anything right. But you're both liars, so you got that in common.
You're so fucking disingenuous and dishonest. I don't know why I fucking bother, but here it goes. You said Obamacare failed because of too many concessions to Republicans. I call bullshit, and challenge you to name a single concession or show any republicans that worked to draft the bill.
You come back with a cherry picked article from Politifact, that outright says Obama's claim of 700+ republican amendments is false. You then try to claim a Republican worked on a bill, ignoring the fact he left and called it a fucking "Democratic" bill because they wouldn't listen to a single one of his ideas. That's your sleazy way of trying to claim some technical accuracy since a Republican tried to sit in a room, that it somehow shows it was bipartisan. Completely fucking ignoring that not a single Republican idea was used, completely negating any sense of bi-partisanship. HE WALKED THE FUCK AWAY BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE BIPARTISAN! Are you that fucking stupid or a fucking egotistical prick that you are so dubious in your bullshit fucking claim that anyone but Democrats wrote, voted on, and own that fucking bill.
Then to be even more fucking stupid, completely undercutting your original claim "too many concessions made to Republicans" (YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FUCKING REASON WE STARTED THIS LINE OF DISCUSSION), you try to say that because an alleged 156 amendments were adopted, that shows bipartisanship. EXCEPT YOU SKIP THE PART OF THE ARTICLE THAT SAYS THAT'S ALSO BULLSHIT, BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS FOR THE MOST EGREGIOUS ERRORS. ALL BUT 2 PASSED WITH UNANIMOUS CONSENT BECAUSE THEY WERE NON-CONTROVERSIAL AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FUCKING SETUP OF THE LAW." The article says they were technical amendments, that were unanimously passed. THERE WAS NO FUCKING CONCESSION, BECAUSE THEY NEVER VOTED ON ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS that actually changed the bill.
So I'll ask your dipshit ass one more final fucking time, "WHAT CONCESSIONS DID THE DEMOCRATS GIVE TO REPUBLICANS THAT MADE THE BILL BAD!" Call out the fucking change to the bill that Republicans magically got Democrats to accept that broke the bill.
You said too many republican concessions fucked the bill. Be an intelligent adult and admit you were fucking wrong, or shut the fuck up. No one who isn't a complete fucking moron understands that your argument is bunk, partisan horseshit.
And that says nothing to the 9/11 Truther (remember guys, he really believes the US government killed 3k of its own people so Bush could go to war. This is who he is. No different than a disgusting bigot protesting interracial marriage or cheering on people's funerals) who is so fucking dense, he can't accept that the Democrats wrote a bad fucking bill in the dead of night and passed it in the sleaziest way possible. Clinton and Chicago politics at its finest. Too fucking stupid to realize you can't blame Rubio for not agreeing to the band-aid fix Democrats wanted to pass after their fucked up bill started to fail.
"It's all the fucking Republicans' fault." These two dipshits don't understand their party wrote the bill, their president used an illegal use of executive power to delay the bad parts from kicking in, and now it is ruining healthcare because their grand social experiment failed. WHen idiots repeat this garbage, tell them to fuck off and pick up a real newspaper.
Rather than facts, they deflect, move goal posts, deny what they've said, and resort to calling you a liar. They're intellectually bankrupt and still too fucking stupid to realize that's why they and their party are out of fucking power at virtually every level of American government. The people caught on to bullshit. And these guys are full of it.
If you had actually read my post, I blamed Joe Lieberman for screwing up the bill. I've actually mentioned it before, but you have such a hard on to call people retards, attack democrats, or whastever trip you're on in defending Trump and bashing Obama, that it goes over your head. But, alas, you ignored that. I quoted an article that backed up what I said, you're happy to point out other stuff in that article, but for some strange reason you keep skipping that. The republicans refused to come to the table if there was a public option. Lieberman supported the GOP so they had to drop it. So, again, I asked the question,vwhy even involve them when they wouldn't even vote for the bill. And again, IS LIEBERMAN REALLY EVEN A DEMOCRAT. You forgot about part obviously.
You have also never acknowledged, ever, the fact Republicans chipped away at the bill. One of the reasons premiums soared. You refuse to acknowledge this. That's what makes your opinion shit. You just keep being a drama queen about Rubio without ever admitting what he did. You are the partisan hack here, bud.
As compared to the bill they're doing now, which literally has ZERO democrats working on it, where they haven't been allowed to contribute, then turn around and complain Democrats are working with them. Birds of a feather.
- Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:Trump will emerge clean from the Muller investigation.
Obama Care is a debacle, but we need to fix. There needs to be accountability. Obama Care had no accountability what so ever.
Ok so here's the deal...I think I know now what republicans mean by "accountability."
I think it means people who rack up enormous student loan debt should accept lesser and lesser compensation and be "accountable."
Because no one made you go to college...and you're damn right Betsy devos will come after your ass regarding student loan issues.
So let's all just be villified health care providers. You know...like how Republicans turned on teachers...now let's turn on healthcare because we're (just like teachers) just greedy fucks feeding off socialist policies.
I think I get it now.
The doctor per se isn't the problem. The Hospital, plus insurance companies, plus mal practice insurance, plus big pharmaceutical companies causes and over priced cluster fuck.
- Smoking Guns
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I see the appeal to single payer but our govt is too fucking stupid to do it right. We are fucked
- Randall Flagg
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If you had actually read my post, I blamed Joe Lieberman for screwing up the bill. I've actually mentioned it before, but you have such a hard on to call people retards, attack democrats, or whastever trip you're on in defending Trump and bashing Obama, that it goes over your head. But, alas, you ignored that. I quoted an article that backed up what I said, you're happy to point out other stuff in that article, but for some strange reason you keep skipping that. The republicans refused to come to the table if there was a public option. Lieberman supported the GOP so they had to drop it. So, again, I asked the question,vwhy even involve them when they wouldn't even vote for the bill. And again, IS LIEBERMAN REALLY EVEN A DEMOCRAT. You forgot about part obviously.
You have also never acknowledged, ever, the fact Republicans chipped away at the bill. One of the reasons premiums soared. You refuse to acknowledge this. That's what makes your opinion shit. You just keep being a drama queen about Rubio without ever admitting what he did. You are the partisan hack here, bud.
As compared to the bill they're doing now, which literally has ZERO democrats working on it, where they haven't been allowed to contribute, then turn around and complain Democrats are working with them. Birds of a feather.
This is what you said:
It wasn't bad per se, but it got turned to into chop suey, a lot of it because of Lieberman, but was he ever really a Democrat? The guy was/is a cunt and one reason I refused to vote for Gore.
They gave in to too many Republican concessions who ended up not even voting for the bill.
I asked you to explain the concessions. You didn't, you haven't, you can't There were no concessions. But continue to call me a liar. I never denied the Democrats could have passed single payer. I said just that, the Democrats couldn't rally themselves behind single payer. Ergo, the Republicans never stopped them from doing anything. They couldn't agree to a plan, just like the GOP can't now. So because it was sink or swim, Reid combined bills no one had time to read and they passed it all on their own, using reconciliation. There never was a single GOP concession. That's what we were talking about. It's always been.
You can't support your claim of GOP concessions, because there were none. The only concessions were to members of the Democrats own party to get a bill they all could live with. Own it. But don't call me a fucking liar because you can't defend your talking point you've always just assumed was true, and didn't actually look into until I challenged you.
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NYT and WaPo ran an article today about Donald Jr. colluding with a Russian lawyer to get dirt on Hillary before the election. He now claims she didn't offer anything worthwhile.
Pretty big story.
We've actually had quite a few big stories over the last couple of months. If you notice what the righties here do is create a wall of noise. They want to drown it all out. Huge walls of texts, non sequitur after another, bullshit talking points, talk about Obama...Hillary...anything and everything to shut down the Trump talk. Don't let these nutjobs divert attention away from what is happening right now.
Re: US Politics Thread
NYT and WaPo ran an article today about Donald Jr. colluding with a Russian lawyer to get dirt on Hillary before the election. He now claims she didn't offer anything worthwhile.
Pretty big story.
We've actually had quite a few big stories over the last couple of months. If you notice what the righties here do is create a wall of noise. They want to drown it all out. Huge walls of texts, non sequitur after another, bullshit talking points, talk about Obama...Hillary...anything and everything to shut down the Trump talk. Don't let these nutjobs divert attention away from what is happening right now.
Also, repeatedly saying..."I've seen no evidence...you don't have any evidence."
The same people who dragged Hillary through the mud while simultaneously ignoring all the other politicians who have committed the same acts...
Why does everything have to be such a glaring inconsistency with the GOP?
Don't forget trump tweeted that he asked vlad if he interfered and bald said no!
End of story right? Your gratitude toward anyone who may have contributed to the success of a GOP candidate that you've become okay with the idea of Russian influence.
- Smoking Guns
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slcpunk wrote:NYT and WaPo ran an article today about Donald Jr. colluding with a Russian lawyer to get dirt on Hillary before the election. He now claims she didn't offer anything worthwhile.
Pretty big story.
We've actually had quite a few big stories over the last couple of months. If you notice what the righties here do is create a wall of noise. They want to drown it all out. Huge walls of texts, non sequitur after another, bullshit talking points, talk about Obama...Hillary...anything and everything to shut down the Trump talk. Don't let these nutjobs divert attention away from what is happening right now.
Also, repeatedly saying..."I've seen no evidence...you don't have any evidence."
The same people who dragged Hillary through the mud while simultaneously ignoring all the other politicians who have committed the same acts...
Why does everything have to be such a glaring inconsistency with the GOP?
Don't forget trump tweeted that he asked vlad if he interfered and bald said no!
End of story right? Your gratitude toward anyone who may have contributed to the success of a GOP candidate that you've become okay with the idea of Russian influence.
There is nothing illegal in that article. Even if there was "collusion" that still isn't "illegal" according to many experts. Like I said, this is going to be hard to prove.
