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Re: US Politics Thread
Well, for starters Nordstroms employes THOUSANDS of workers, and if the President implys a wrondoing and with that a boycott, that store and employees can be impacted. Same with competitor shoes, I don't know ladies shoe lines but if the WH solicits people to BUY IVANKA, those customers are less likely to buy those other brands, hurting their sales and employees. It's a terrible road to travel to have the President telling us to buy his family brand. If DSW sells them, but Kohls & Target does not, are they left out in the cold?? We're only 3 weeks in, this isn't a scandal, it's a mistake.
And yes she should be fired. Period. She's proven to be worthless anyway on soo many issues it's silly she's even there at this point. She clearly isn't able to do the job.
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Re: US Politics Thread
Well, for starters Nordstroms employes THOUSANDS of workers, and if the President implys a wrondoing and with that a boycott, that store and employees can be impacted. Same with competitor shoes, I don't know ladies shoe lines but if the WH solicits people to BUY IVANKA, those customers are less likely to buy those other brands, hurting their sales and employees. It's a terrible road to travel to have the President telling us to buy his family brand. If DSW sells them, but Kohls & Target does not, are they left out in the cold?? We're only 3 weeks in, this isn't a scandal, it's a mistake.
And yes she should be fired. Period.
I agree Nordstrom's should no way be penalized. But the rabid media turned the simple fact Ivanka's shit doesn't sell, so Nordstrom's didn't want to carry it, to Nordstrom's ends Ivanka's deal because of refugees.
The media created a story from nothing. Conway fucked up, but it's not like she gave an infomercial. I don't think she should be fired over this, but should apologize and ensure it doesn't happen again. Remember that whole intent thing that saved Clinton from being prosecuted? It applies here too.
Re: US Politics Thread
Well, for starters Nordstroms employes THOUSANDS of workers, and if the President implys a wrondoing and with that a boycott, that store and employees can be impacted. Same with competitor shoes, I don't know ladies shoe lines but if the WH solicits people to BUY IVANKA, those customers are less likely to buy those other brands, hurting their sales and employees. It's a terrible road to travel to have the President telling us to buy his family brand. If DSW sells them, but Kohls & Target does not, are they left out in the cold?? We're only 3 weeks in, this isn't a scandal, it's a mistake.
And yes she should be fired. Period. She's proven to be worthless anyway on soo many issues it's silly she's even there at this point. She clearly isn't able to do the job.
the whole thing is clearly a shit show...whether it's "gotcha" journalism or whatever...
Most of these EOs cannot be executed as written...either they're too vague rendering them meaningless or they've been stopped by one court or another.
He's done nothing but blow his stack and bully people...and try to hawk shit
Now....chief Trump apologist, Randall Flagg will be taking questions
- Randall Flagg
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Re: US Politics Thread
PaSnow wrote:Well, for starters Nordstroms employes THOUSANDS of workers, and if the President implys a wrondoing and with that a boycott, that store and employees can be impacted. Same with competitor shoes, I don't know ladies shoe lines but if the WH solicits people to BUY IVANKA, those customers are less likely to buy those other brands, hurting their sales and employees. It's a terrible road to travel to have the President telling us to buy his family brand. If DSW sells them, but Kohls & Target does not, are they left out in the cold?? We're only 3 weeks in, this isn't a scandal, it's a mistake.
And yes she should be fired. Period. She's proven to be worthless anyway on soo many issues it's silly she's even there at this point. She clearly isn't able to do the job.
the whole thing is clearly a shit show...whether it's "gotcha" journalism or whatever...
Most of these EOs cannot be executed as written...either they're too vague rendering them meaningless or they've been stopped by one court or another.
He's done nothing but blow his stack and bully people...and try to hawk shit
Now....chief Trump apologist, Randall Flagg will be taking questions
Fuckin A. I'd love to have Spicer's job
Re: US Politics Thread
PaSnow wrote:Well, for starters Nordstroms employes THOUSANDS of workers, and if the President implys a wrondoing and with that a boycott, that store and employees can be impacted. Same with competitor shoes, I don't know ladies shoe lines but if the WH solicits people to BUY IVANKA, those customers are less likely to buy those other brands, hurting their sales and employees. It's a terrible road to travel to have the President telling us to buy his family brand. If DSW sells them, but Kohls & Target does not, are they left out in the cold?? We're only 3 weeks in, this isn't a scandal, it's a mistake.
And yes she should be fired. Period.
I agree Nordstrom's should no way be penalized. But the rabid media turned the simple fact Ivanka's shit doesn't sell, so Nordstrom's didn't want to carry it, to Nordstrom's ends Ivanka's deal because of refugees.
The media created a story from nothing. Conway fucked up, but it's not like she gave an infomercial. I don't think she should be fired over this, but should apologize and ensure it doesn't happen again. Remember that whole intent thing that saved Clinton from being prosecuted? It applies here too.
Bullshit, she's the first daughter, she's front and center, she is an advisor, she's tied to him and his policies, she's going to get heightened scrutiny. If they don't like it he shouldn't have run for president. Stop blaming the media for everything. It comes with the job.
- Randall Flagg
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Re: US Politics Thread
Give 1 good reason to keep her? After "Alternative Facts" "Bowling Green Massacre" "Buy Ivanka"... she's averaging 1 eff up a week?
There's been more, but those are the bigger ones IIRC.
I don't buy into the narrative those are huge fuckups. I wouldn't say them, but let's take it one by one shall we?
1.) Alternative Facts - Claims that are also true and portray a better picture for a party. E.g. "Trump had more people watching his inauguration (including TV and the internet) than any other President." Compared to "Trump has half the attendance to his inauguration as Obama had in '09."
Both are concurrently true, but provide an oppositional narrative. That's "alternative facts." "The US spends more per student than any other country" and "The US ranks towards the bottom in education among top tier nations" are alternative facts.
But you guys wanted to interpret it as they were all defending the claim Trumo had a bigger in person turnout for his inauguration and chuckle, rather than acknowledge what Obi-wan told us in Empire - truth depends on point of view.
2.) Bowling Green - Did or did not the FBI stop 2 radicals from trying to send money and guns back home from Bowling Green? Yes, obviously she misspoke. And she needed to correct herself. But instead of realizing she's got a million references she has to memorize for the million different questions, so when trying to cite a very valid example to justify Iraq not having full access, her larger point is ignored and it all becomes a fucking joke. No more talks about a serious subject - it's time to make Maddow faces and play grab ass. As I said earlier, the "gotcha" shit doesn't work anymore. You guys need to have actual ideas rather than just yelling 'no' and 'wrong' at everything.
3.) Ivanka's. Mistake clear and simple. But it's a fabricated story from the start. In an attempt to defend Ivanka's and her boss' policies that are what we're originally attributed to all of this, she crossed a line. It's not an excuse, but it's something that can be learned from. Condemn it, apologize and move on. But the "gotcha" bullshit isn't going to derail Trump. He's still at 50-53% approval rating despite this. 'Alternative Fact' 
- Randall Flagg
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Re: US Politics Thread
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:Well, for starters Nordstroms employes THOUSANDS of workers, and if the President implys a wrondoing and with that a boycott, that store and employees can be impacted. Same with competitor shoes, I don't know ladies shoe lines but if the WH solicits people to BUY IVANKA, those customers are less likely to buy those other brands, hurting their sales and employees. It's a terrible road to travel to have the President telling us to buy his family brand. If DSW sells them, but Kohls & Target does not, are they left out in the cold?? We're only 3 weeks in, this isn't a scandal, it's a mistake.
And yes she should be fired. Period.
I agree Nordstrom's should no way be penalized. But the rabid media turned the simple fact Ivanka's shit doesn't sell, so Nordstrom's didn't want to carry it, to Nordstrom's ends Ivanka's deal because of refugees.
The media created a story from nothing. Conway fucked up, but it's not like she gave an infomercial. I don't think she should be fired over this, but should apologize and ensure it doesn't happen again. Remember that whole intent thing that saved Clinton from being prosecuted? It applies here too.
Bullshit, she's thed first daughter, she's front and center, she is an advisor, she's tied to him and his policies, she's going to get heightened scrutiny. If they don't like it he shoulodnt have run for president. Stop blaming the media for evertything. It comes with the job.
A story completely fabricated from the start (Nordstrom dropped her cause of the EO) gets blamed on the media.
Re: US Politics Thread
misterID wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:I agree Nordstrom's should no way be penalized. But the rabid media turned the simple fact Ivanka's shit doesn't sell, so Nordstrom's didn't want to carry it, to Nordstrom's ends Ivanka's deal because of refugees.
The media created a story from nothing. Conway fucked up, but it's not like she gave an infomercial. I don't think she should be fired over this, but should apologize and ensure it doesn't happen again. Remember that whole intent thing that saved Clinton from being prosecuted? It applies here too.
Bullshit, she's thed first daughter, she's front and center, she is an advisor, she's tied to him and his policies, she's going to get heightened scrutiny. If they don't like it he shoulodnt have run for president. Stop blaming the media for evertything. It comes with the job.
A story completely fabricated from the start (Nordstrom dropped her cause of the EO) gets blamed on the media.
I have not heard/read anything close to that. Maybe there has been, but every single media story I've seen on this has said the decision was made on poor sales.
Re: US Politics Thread
1.) Alternative Facts - Claims that are also true and portray a better picture for a party. E.g. "Trump had more people watching his inauguration (including TV and the internet) than any other President." Compared to "Trump has half the attendance to his inauguration as Obama had in '09."
Both are concurrently true, but provide an oppositional narrative. That's "alternative facts." "The US spends more per student than any other country" and "The US ranks towards the bottom in education among top tier nations" are alternative facts.
Uggh, I can't even get thru the rest, because now you're doing revisionist history. She wasn't implying "TV and the internet"..... She was defending Sean Spicer, and I've pasted Sean Spicers comments, verbatim, below:
"Photographs of the inaugural proceedings were intentionally framed in a way, in one particular Tweet, to minimize the enormous support that had gathered on the National Mall," Spicer said on Jan. 21. "That was the largest audience to witness an inauguration, period. Both in person and around the globe."
Don't make excuses and change things to fit your argument.
