US Politics Thread

Smoking Guns

mitchejw wrote:

And ending the war resulted in ISIS and the loss of stability in both Iraq and Syria. Just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it's right or the prudent course of action.
I just feel this in incredibly short sighted logic...there will always be a faction or two that is against the US at all costs ESPECIALLY when we continue to meddle in other people's business based on false information.
From the beginning, I thought that 'war' was nothing more than the US waving their dicks around at the world to remind them that we are still king shit. It felt to me like 1990 Mike Tyson vs Glass Joe from Mike tyson's punch out.
From the get go...the objective wasn't really clear...we had no idea how long we would be there. Our standing army was artificially maintaining this contrived version of democracy. The second we left, they pretty much reverted back to what they were before...just without Saddam.
My basic point is...people gonna hate, especially when they see the red, white and blue dick being jammed down their throat to remind them who is in charge.
I just don't think feigned righteousness in a cause completely ignored months ago excuses the false narrative that Russia had any real impact on the election.
I think we all took Russia seriously...but we did not know how serious to take them. I have never in my life time (neither has my grandpa) seen someone cozy up so much to Russia as a president.
I'm really starting to believe there's somethign to the theory that, after Trump's Atlantic City mess, banks in the US blacklisted him and he had to go elsewhere for financing. I truly think this to be a possiblity...
He could put all the critics to bed on this if he would release his tax returns...but instead he blatantly lies to our faces about why he won't release his taxes and will settle any disputes within a few weeks to avoid having to disclose his tax returns.
There's way to much smoke here for us not to check on the source. You're continued denial of this is befuddling.
If we are being objective over the past 35 years here is my top pres ranking.
Reagan
Clinton
Bush Sr
Obama
Bush 43
I've said numerous times on this board that I still to this day do no understand all the jubilation surrounding Reagan.
He engaged in massive deficit spending for much for the 80s which I've been led to believe by all the Repugs running for office today that is a 'big no no.'
I'm not sure the direct intent of his spending was to finish off Russia and end the cold war. I do know he gets credit for that.
He was also in advanged stages of dementia when he left office. To me, it's just more of that macho man bravado that RF and SG enjoy so much. I'm not impressed by this...there was too much at stake.

When Reagan took over interest rates on mortgages were about 20% and you had to wait in line for gas. Reagan was a boss.

Randall Flagg

http://nypost.com/2017/01/01/washington … t-utility/

Like I said, the grid was never hacked. More sensationalist nonsense meant to stir the pot. Quit buying into the hyperbole.

polluxlm

Randall Flagg wrote:

http://nypost.com/2017/01/01/washington … t-utility/
Like I said, the grid was never hacked. More sensationalist nonsense meant to stir the pot. Quit buying into the hyperbole.

Another shocker.

It's amazing how bold one can be. If a normal person tells a lie he is concerned about being credible and not easily detectable.

Not so when it goes to print apparently.

misterID

mitchejw wrote:

And ending the war resulted in ISIS and the loss of stability in both Iraq and Syria. Just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it's right or the prudent course of action.
I just feel this in incredibly short sighted logic...there will always be a faction or two that is against the US at all costs ESPECIALLY when we continue to meddle in other people's business based on false information.
From the beginning, I thought that 'war' was nothing more than the US waving their dicks around at the world to remind them that we are still king shit. It felt to me like 1990 Mike Tyson vs Glass Joe from Mike tyson's punch out.
From the get go...the objective wasn't really clear...we had no idea how long we would be there. Our standing army was artificially maintaining this contrived version of democracy. The second we left, they pretty much reverted back to what they were before...just without Saddam.
My basic point is...people gonna hate, especially when they see the red, white and blue dick being jammed down their throat to remind them who is in charge.
I just don't think feigned righteousness in a cause completely ignored months ago excuses the false narrative that Russia had any real impact on the election.
I think we all took Russia seriously...but we did not know how serious to take them. I have never in my life time (neither has my grandpa) seen someone cozy up so much to Russia as a president.
I'm really starting to believe there's somethign to the theory that, after Trump's Atlantic City mess, banks in the US blacklisted him and he had to go elsewhere for financing. I truly think this to be a possiblity...
He could put all the critics to bed on this if he would release his tax returns...but instead he blatantly lies to our faces about why he won't release his taxes and will settle any disputes within a few weeks to avoid having to disclose his tax returns.
There's way to much smoke here for us not to check on the source. You're continued denial of this is befuddling.
If we are being objective over the past 35 years here is my top pres ranking.
Reagan
Clinton
Bush Sr
Obama
Bush 43
I've said numerous times on this board that I still to this day do no understand all the jubilation surrounding Reagan.
He engaged in massive deficit spending for much for the 80s which I've been led to believe by all the Repugs running for office today that is a 'big no no.'
I'm not sure the direct intent of his spending was to finish off Russia and end the cold war. I do know he gets credit for that.
He was also in advanged stages of dementia when he left office. To me, it's just more of that macho man bravado that RF and SG enjoy so much. I'm not impressed by this...there was too much at stake.

I still love SG saying Bush 43 got a raw deal. No, his daddy had the raw deal. He followed Saint Reagan's heavy borrowing, unregulated bull economy collapse and he got the blame. W. followed Clinton's economy and an entitlement surplus that he fucking robbed. W. was a dolt. But he was FDR compared to the turd we have now. And I will always give W credit for FINALLY standing up to Cheney over Scooter.

Smoking Guns

misterID wrote:

mitchejw wrote:
And ending the war resulted in ISIS and the loss of stability in both Iraq and Syria. Just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it's right or the prudent course of action.
I just feel this in incredibly short sighted logic...there will always be a faction or two that is against the US at all costs ESPECIALLY when we continue to meddle in other people's business based on false information.
From the beginning, I thought that 'war' was nothing more than the US waving their dicks around at the world to remind them that we are still king shit. It felt to me like 1990 Mike Tyson vs Glass Joe from Mike tyson's punch out.
From the get go...the objective wasn't really clear...we had no idea how long we would be there. Our standing army was artificially maintaining this contrived version of democracy. The second we left, they pretty much reverted back to what they were before...just without Saddam.
My basic point is...people gonna hate, especially when they see the red, white and blue dick being jammed down their throat to remind them who is in charge.
I just don't think feigned righteousness in a cause completely ignored months ago excuses the false narrative that Russia had any real impact on the election.
I think we all took Russia seriously...but we did not know how serious to take them. I have never in my life time (neither has my grandpa) seen someone cozy up so much to Russia as a president.
I'm really starting to believe there's somethign to the theory that, after Trump's Atlantic City mess, banks in the US blacklisted him and he had to go elsewhere for financing. I truly think this to be a possiblity...
He could put all the critics to bed on this if he would release his tax returns...but instead he blatantly lies to our faces about why he won't release his taxes and will settle any disputes within a few weeks to avoid having to disclose his tax returns.
There's way to much smoke here for us not to check on the source. You're continued denial of this is befuddling.
If we are being objective over the past 35 years here is my top pres ranking.
Reagan
Clinton
Bush Sr
Obama
Bush 43
I've said numerous times on this board that I still to this day do no understand all the jubilation surrounding Reagan.
He engaged in massive deficit spending for much for the 80s which I've been led to believe by all the Repugs running for office today that is a 'big no no.'
I'm not sure the direct intent of his spending was to finish off Russia and end the cold war. I do know he gets credit for that.
He was also in advanged stages of dementia when he left office. To me, it's just more of that macho man bravado that RF and SG enjoy so much. I'm not impressed by this...there was too much at stake.
I still love SG saying Bush 43 got a raw deal. No, his daddy had the raw deal. He followed Saint Reagan's heavy borrowing, unregulated bull economy collapse and he got the blame. W. followed Clinton's economy and an entitlement surplus that he fucking robbed. W. was a dolt. But he was FDR compared to the turd we have now. And I will always give W credit for FINALLY standing up to Cheney over Scooter.

Bush Sr. was a good president.
Bush W. got a raw deal with 911 and the housing crisis... Obama got a bad hand with a shit economy with nowhere to go but up. Had Bush W come in 1992 he would have been a much better pres. Iraq ruined W.

mitchejw

Smoking Guns wrote:

misterID wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
I just feel this in incredibly short sighted logic...there will always be a faction or two that is against the US at all costs ESPECIALLY when we continue to meddle in other people's business based on false information.
From the beginning, I thought that 'war' was nothing more than the US waving their dicks around at the world to remind them that we are still king shit. It felt to me like 1990 Mike Tyson vs Glass Joe from Mike tyson's punch out.
From the get go...the objective wasn't really clear...we had no idea how long we would be there. Our standing army was artificially maintaining this contrived version of democracy. The second we left, they pretty much reverted back to what they were before...just without Saddam.
My basic point is...people gonna hate, especially when they see the red, white and blue dick being jammed down their throat to remind them who is in charge.

I think we all took Russia seriously...but we did not know how serious to take them. I have never in my life time (neither has my grandpa) seen someone cozy up so much to Russia as a president.
I'm really starting to believe there's somethign to the theory that, after Trump's Atlantic City mess, banks in the US blacklisted him and he had to go elsewhere for financing. I truly think this to be a possiblity...
He could put all the critics to bed on this if he would release his tax returns...but instead he blatantly lies to our faces about why he won't release his taxes and will settle any disputes within a few weeks to avoid having to disclose his tax returns.
There's way to much smoke here for us not to check on the source. You're continued denial of this is befuddling.

I've said numerous times on this board that I still to this day do no understand all the jubilation surrounding Reagan.
He engaged in massive deficit spending for much for the 80s which I've been led to believe by all the Repugs running for office today that is a 'big no no.'
I'm not sure the direct intent of his spending was to finish off Russia and end the cold war. I do know he gets credit for that.
He was also in advanged stages of dementia when he left office. To me, it's just more of that macho man bravado that RF and SG enjoy so much. I'm not impressed by this...there was too much at stake.
I still love SG saying Bush 43 got a raw deal. No, his daddy had the raw deal. He followed Saint Reagan's heavy borrowing, unregulated bull economy collapse and he got the blame. W. followed Clinton's economy and an entitlement surplus that he fucking robbed. W. was a dolt. But he was FDR compared to the turd we have now. And I will always give W credit for FINALLY standing up to Cheney over Scooter.
Bush Sr. was a good president.
Bush W. got a raw deal with 911 and the housing crisis... Obama got a bad hand with a shit economy with nowhere to go but up. Had Bush W come in 1992 he would have been a much better pres. Iraq ruined W.

I'm fairly certain that you just want a giant phallic symbol with a gun pointing out its urethra for president.

Edit: it's got to be a white mans penis.

misterID

There's always a reason why the Republicans who fuck up the economy aren't to blame, and the Democrats who fix it don't really count. The excuse that Obama only succeeded because the economy was terrible, yet was just a bystander as it improved and didn't do anything, takes the cake.

W would not have succeeded in 92 because his ideology was exactly what caused the mess.

misterID

I have a feeling Trump is going to be impeached at some point, either over business ties or giving out classified information in an interview or through twitter. And I think the Ryan wing of the GOP are going to push it to get Pence in the White House. Democrats need to fight tooth and nail against impeachment and keep Trump in office for 4 years because Pence will be far, far worse and would have unity on his side.

misterID

The repubs are in power across the board and what's the first thing they do?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/02/politics/ … amendment/

They destroy the ethics oversight committee. Well, that's not ominous!

Smoking Guns

misterID wrote:

There's always a reason why the Republicans who fuck up the economy aren't to blame, and the Democrats who fix it don't really count. The excuse that Obama only succeeded because the economy was terrible, yet was just a bystander as it improved and didn't do anything, takes the cake.
W would not have succeeded in 92 because his ideology was exactly what caused the mess.

Oh, so 911 had no effect on how Bush ran his presidency? Cool story. Any president would be affected greatly by it.

Housing Market - Had nothing to do with Bush policy

Iraq War - poor decision on Bush

911 - Worst US day since Pearl Harbor.

The Economy did "improve" under Obama. But not nearly to the degree he would have you believe, but yes. We are much better off than 2008. Most of that was time. Some of it was policy. But it was a very very slow recovery.

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