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The bubble post said it all, Irish. There is always shit that needs to be fixed, no doubt, but it's the height of privilege to go off the rails and dislike the "versions" of this country based on who's in the white house. The country doesn't change all that much under a president. I'm sorry, but liberals would rather pat themselves on the back for reciting some BS talking points than actually help people who have the audacity to think differently than they do. Conservatives believe everyone has equal footing and love to talk about themselves, comparing everyone to their own life stories, unaware there are people who actually had/have it harder. Our parties are too invested in division, both of them, not one over the other. Despite all of our flaws, look how much this country (the people) do for each other and People around the world. People still want to come HERE no matter who is in the WH.
If it doesn’t matter who is president then why do we bother with that annoying voting thing every 4 years.
I think it’s privilege to take no stance at all and just make fun of everyone putting forth ideas.
So you’re saying shut up and know your privilege by not expressing any opinion the differs from the other ‘versions’ of this country?
These are the things i take away from your ambivalence.
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Looks like Paul knew he had been in contact with someone with covid-19 for over a week but refused to self quarantine. He was seen in the Senate gym this morning.
misterID wrote:The bubble post said it all, Irish. There is always shit that needs to be fixed, no doubt, but it's the height of privilege to go off the rails and dislike the "versions" of this country based on who's in the white house. The country doesn't change all that much under a president. I'm sorry, but liberals would rather pat themselves on the back for reciting some BS talking points than actually help people who have the audacity to think differently than they do. Conservatives believe everyone has equal footing and love to talk about themselves, comparing everyone to their own life stories, unaware there are people who actually had/have it harder. Our parties are too invested in division, both of them, not one over the other. Despite all of our flaws, look how much this country (the people) do for each other and People around the world. People still want to come HERE no matter who is in the WH.
If it doesn’t matter who is president then why do we bother with that annoying voting thing every 4 years.
I think it’s privilege to take no stance at all and just make fun of everyone putting forth ideas.
So you’re saying shut up and know your privilege by not expressing any opinion the differs from the other ‘versions’ of this country?
These are the things i take away from your ambivalence.
Nope, not what I said, per usual. I honestly don't know how your mind works to get to that conclusion. You do it a lot with my posts.
No, the country doesn't change that much outside some policy. We're still a democracy, still free, have civil rights, despite the crews who promise to God we will lose all these things if *this guy* becomes President, from Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now Trump. We vote on policies that still have to go through Congress and senate, then across the president's desk. Anything too far reaching goes to the courts. I have put forth ideas, and I haven't sat here making fun of others ideas and not putting forth my own, so that's a lie. And I told no one to shut up, another lie. I'm talking the hypocrisy of taking up for the down trodden, but only those who fit "your definition" as deserving of it.
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mitchejw wrote:buzzsaw wrote:Is it short-sighted though? It's not just because you think it is. We'd probably not all be holed up in our houses if we were more isolationist. We'd be involved in less wars. The trade wars are long overdue. We started screwing ourselves with NAFTA...we use other country's stuff because it's cheaper, not because it's better. So basically we use slave labor and sweatshops to import cheaper goods and you feel good about that?
Regardless, you can be America first without being an isolationist. We can take care of ourselves first...that doesn't mean screw anybody else...it literally means take care of our own first. I know you think there are no boundaries and we're all one people (not true, but whatever). All you do is look at the bad of everything without giving a single consideration to the good of it.
Isn't the root of isolationism protecting what you have no matter what little you have? That's what I feel like we're doing...we've got so little left...we don't export anywhere near what we import. Ok maybe that's because our labor is too expensive...but it's also quality labor...or is it?
We're low on trade skills right? Then let's invest in that. No problem there. That's how we put American first.
Do we need infrastructure...hell yeah? How do we invest in America, fix that. That's how you put American first.
When big business is allowed to outsource US jobs and hide their money somewhere else...that's not putting America first. Americans are working against Americans...so how is that putting American first?
When the most wealthy use their money as leverage to participate fully in our economy...that's not putting America first.
Isolationism is about not worrying about the rest of the world. I don't know where you're getting protecting what little we have.
Somewhere in this post you switched from government to big business and somehow expect the same thought process from business. This is where your thinking goes off the rails. Government has to pretend to care about you; businesses don't really. Big business certainly has all national level politicians in their pockets, but big business is all about big business and nothing else. They will be for whatever is in their interests and change with the winds as necessary. They don't care about the US unless it becomes in their interest to care about the US. This is why socialism will never work here...there is zero chance that the rich are going to just hand over half of their money...it is never going to happen.
I never brought up socialism.
But, bailing out any company during this time is corporate socialism, and it is bullshit. These companies should fail.
They've fucked their own countries over by outsourcing.
It is in my opinion that is bullshit. That it is unpatriotic to do so, and it is betting against your country, while enjoying the riches of cheap overseas labor.
And as for Japan, Japan has standards they don't treat their own people like they are disposable pieces of slave labour garbage. And a great Republican charted their country on the course that made Japan into a powerhouse that they are today. That man was Douglas MacArthur.
I'm not blaming the right by the way or the left. I am blaming both sides for being assholes.
And we shall see how bad socialized medicine looks after this crisis. Every Western country has it. It is a decent system when it is funded properly, and you know people don't fucking die because they can't afford their medical bills. Or you know aren't laid off and have no benefits because of a pandemic that is going on in the world.
We could get into the socialism style money the military receives, and other areas, but that is a bore of a debate.
America first is actually putting America first and the main two parties have been selling out America for the last 30 years. Republicans more so, but Democrats are just as guilty.
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U.S. axed CDC expert job in China months before virus outbreak
https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-u- … 54983.html
But since last year, Frieden and others said, growing tensions between the Trump administration and China’s leadership have apparently damaged the collaboration.
“The message from the administration was, ‘Don’t work with China, they’re our rival,’” Frieden said.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
It is not a coincidence this occurred during the US' most anti-China president in recent history. Period. Trumps negligence is in part cause of such an outbreak, unless of course you believe it's a coincidence.
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^^ that's been going around, sure it didn't help, but had nothing to do with the disease, spread, or China's handling of it or the fact all of our supplies are made there and they took them for themselves.
Here's why Democrats torpedoed stimulus and what their demands are:
1. Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance
2. Bailing out all current debt of postal service
3. Required early voting
4. Required same day voter registration
5. 10k bailout for student loans
6. For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers
7. Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining
8. Full offset of airline emissions by 2025
9. Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights
10. Retirement plans for community newspaper employees
11. $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance
12. Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance
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^^ that's been going around, sure it didn't help, but had nothing to do with the disease, spread, or China's handling of it or the fact all of our supplies are made there and they took them for themselves.
Here's why Democrats torpedoed stimulus and what their demands are:
1. Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance
2. Bailing out all current debt of postal service
3. Required early voting
4. Required same day voter registration
5. 10k bailout for student loans
6. For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers
7. Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining
8. Full offset of airline emissions by 2025
9. Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights
10. Retirement plans for community newspaper employees
11. $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance
12. Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance
Some of that stuff is irrelevant and some isn’t. They’re just trying to make sure labor is taken care of...at least someone is.
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Nah, man, this isn't about labor at all. Out of all of that only #12 actually addresses the crisis itself, the rest is trying to use the crisis to get their agenda implemented.... And if I'm being really cynical, to purposely put/keep the US in a recession for the election.
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Nah, man, this isn't about labor at all. Out of all of that only #12 actually addresses the crisis itself, the rest is trying to use the crisis to get their agenda implemented.... And if I'm being really cynical, to purposely put/keep the US in a recession for the election.
Throwing money at big business isn’t going to solve much either though.
Most of this will not make it through.
