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Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
RaZor wrote:A guy I used to work with was a classically trained drummer, really into jazz, fusion, and prog rock. He hated Slash with a passion. In his words, ”that guy is terrible. Terrible!”. He then he went into a monologue about how he plays off key.
Now I don't know dick about music, other than I know that some I like and some I don't. I really like what Slash does. In fact I have almost 200 songs by him on my iPod, in a playlist I've since named ”terrible, TERRIBLE”.
But I wonder, is what my ex coworker said true? And if it is, why does it sound so good?
It's not true. Never trust a drummer...they are drumming for a reason.
Hah, I suspected as much.
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Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
Slash plays in key... He has a great ear.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
LOL. Hilarious. You think average work is great. Good for you. How long was the intro to CD again? How was it necessary to the song again? That's what I thought. All that synth shit in Better sure made that a great song too...lol. Here's what you really keep hearing about the CD songs: "I liked (insert song here) so much better on the leaks/demos/live versions before all the fluff was added" - that's what people say. I've said all along that most of those songs were probably good at some point, but they were ruined. Axl even tried to ruin TWaT, but in most people's mind he failed to destroy it on the album. He tried to make them all epic when they just weren't epic songs. That's the failure of CD. It's not that the songs suck; it's that Axl tried way too hard for way too long to make them into something they could never be.
I don't care if you think Axl failed to deliver with those dudes, I know Axl did. Axl knows he did. Those dudes know they did. The people that buy music know he did. What you think doesn't really matter. He probably had gold at one point, but he turned it to shit by trying to make the songs into something they couldn't be and releasing them when they were so dated that people think they could belong on a 1992 album. no amount of Axl revionist history from you is going to change any of that despite your best efforts.
Long enough to achieve its purpose. Which is to draw the listener into a dull state before hitting him with a bang. It makes the effect more powerful and it's a great addition to the song. A common technique used in many forms of music. I suppose you'd prefer the 01 version? The one that people didn't even talk about until an almost completely different song appeared on the album? Yes I thought so!
That's what people said after listening to those demos for years. A very natural reaction after creating an emotional attachment to a certain set of sounds. You don't hear it all that much anymore. It's now almost solely used as ammo in Axl hatefests. And yes, Axl ruined TWAT when he added that terrible Buckethead solo and his wails to the "raw" 99 version. I wish Axl would just stop with all these additions, clearly it's not doing any good. IRS is another example. Just terrible, overdone, unnecessary stuff added to that. I mean, who needs a BH solo and an Axl scream? That's like so not rock n roll.
What I think is the only thing that matters. I'm the one doing the listening, and I'm happy about what I'm hearing. If you guys don't it's really only your loss. I'm sure you'd get a kickass, bare bones 99 version of CD if the top hat was in charge though.
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Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
buzzsaw wrote:LOL. Hilarious. You think average work is great. Good for you. How long was the intro to CD again? How was it necessary to the song again? That's what I thought. All that synth shit in Better sure made that a great song too...lol. Here's what you really keep hearing about the CD songs: "I liked (insert song here) so much better on the leaks/demos/live versions before all the fluff was added" - that's what people say. I've said all along that most of those songs were probably good at some point, but they were ruined. Axl even tried to ruin TWaT, but in most people's mind he failed to destroy it on the album. He tried to make them all epic when they just weren't epic songs. That's the failure of CD. It's not that the songs suck; it's that Axl tried way too hard for way too long to make them into something they could never be.
I don't care if you think Axl failed to deliver with those dudes, I know Axl did. Axl knows he did. Those dudes know they did. The people that buy music know he did. What you think doesn't really matter. He probably had gold at one point, but he turned it to shit by trying to make the songs into something they couldn't be and releasing them when they were so dated that people think they could belong on a 1992 album. no amount of Axl revionist history from you is going to change any of that despite your best efforts.
Long enough to achieve its purpose. Which is to draw the listener into a dull state before hitting him with a bang. It makes the effect more powerful and it's a great addition to the song. A common technique used in many forms of music. I suppose you'd prefer the 01 version? The one that people didn't even talk about until an almost completely different song appeared on the album? Yes I thought so!
That's what people said after listening to those demos for years. A very natural reaction after creating an emotional attachment to a certain set of sounds. You don't hear it all that much anymore. It's now almost solely used as ammo in Axl hatefests. And yes, Axl ruined TWAT when he added that terrible Buckethead solo and his wails to the "raw" 99 version. I wish Axl would just stop with all these additions, clearly it's not doing any good. IRS is another example. Just terrible, overdone, unnecessary stuff added to that. I mean, who needs a BH solo and an Axl scream? That's like so not rock n roll.
What I think is the only thing that matters. I'm the one doing the listening, and I'm happy about what I'm hearing. If you guys don't it's really only your loss. I'm sure you'd get a kickass, bare bones 99 version of CD if the top hat was in charge though.
Considering how cynical you are about a lot of things, I'm kind of surprised to see you embracing CD like that. I think CD has some good songs on it and a lot of good ideas, but overall it is a mess. Way overproduced just like the UYI's.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
buzzsaw wrote:LOL. Hilarious. You think average work is great. Good for you. How long was the intro to CD again? How was it necessary to the song again? That's what I thought. All that synth shit in Better sure made that a great song too...lol. Here's what you really keep hearing about the CD songs: "I liked (insert song here) so much better on the leaks/demos/live versions before all the fluff was added" - that's what people say. I've said all along that most of those songs were probably good at some point, but they were ruined. Axl even tried to ruin TWaT, but in most people's mind he failed to destroy it on the album. He tried to make them all epic when they just weren't epic songs. That's the failure of CD. It's not that the songs suck; it's that Axl tried way too hard for way too long to make them into something they could never be.
I don't care if you think Axl failed to deliver with those dudes, I know Axl did. Axl knows he did. Those dudes know they did. The people that buy music know he did. What you think doesn't really matter. He probably had gold at one point, but he turned it to shit by trying to make the songs into something they couldn't be and releasing them when they were so dated that people think they could belong on a 1992 album. no amount of Axl revionist history from you is going to change any of that despite your best efforts.
Long enough to achieve its purpose. Which is to draw the listener into a dull state before hitting him with a bang. It makes the effect more powerful and it's a great addition to the song. A common technique used in many forms of music. I suppose you'd prefer the 01 version? The one that people didn't even talk about until an almost completely different song appeared on the album? Yes I thought so!
That's what people said after listening to those demos for years. A very natural reaction after creating an emotional attachment to a certain set of sounds. You don't hear it all that much anymore. It's now almost solely used as ammo in Axl hatefests. And yes, Axl ruined TWAT when he added that terrible Buckethead solo and his wails to the "raw" 99 version. I wish Axl would just stop with all these additions, clearly it's not doing any good. IRS is another example. Just terrible, overdone, unnecessary stuff added to that. I mean, who needs a BH solo and an Axl scream? That's like so not rock n roll.
What I think is the only thing that matters. I'm the one doing the listening, and I'm happy about what I'm hearing. If you guys don't it's really only your loss. I'm sure you'd get a kickass, bare bones 99 version of CD if the top hat was in charge though.
To quote ObiWon: You truly are lost.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
I've listened to CD several times on vinyl with a micro line stylus and I can tell you that it isn't in any way "a mess". It just needs to be listened to properly.
If you need to go to special lengths to appreciate something and not consider it a mess, its a mess. The songs are all being forced into being epics and fal so incredibly short. There is too much unnecessary stuff going on in all the songs and the album is way over produced. Saying a person simply needs to listen to it properly to appreciate it is nonsense. It's like saying I just need to read the Twighlight books then I'll love the movies. Isn't it wierd that I don't need to listen to other albums "properly". If they are good albums with proper arrangements and production I can listen to them in any format with any technology. In Gn'R land there always an excuse more elaborate than the last.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
Without sounding like I'm coming down on the "it's a mess" side of the argument, you have to admit that's a pretty thin slice of music consumers that are ever going to hear CD properly, if that's truly the way to do it.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
I don't think that's a comment on the quality of CD. I think it boils down to the album should've been out by 2002 at the latest, and properly promoted. With those ingredients, and the GN'R brand name, I have no doubt it would've down as good as Contraband.
Obviously Slash gets the win, but CD's musical direction is not really what the issue was here, even if I TOTALLY AGREE that a classic GN'R rock sound and presentation was what the world wanted. They wanted a sequel to GN'R, not a reboot. Axl's circus reboot was just too much to swallow, even if the music was damn good. I still say Chinese is the Halloween III of the GN'R world.
Re: SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF
I listened to CD on cd and Digital and I like what I hear in both. I love the demos, but CD is far from a mess. I think it was the wrong decision to add Ron, but it doesn't hurt the overall songs, imo.
