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Re: 2013
firstly, 'the masses' weren't waiting on a new SG single. nobody gives a toss about them bar a random assortment of old guys & a few younger people interested in a dead genre's history.
on topic: what is it you want from GnR? it seems like you want them to reach for/attain mass popularity again.
that shit means fuck all to me.
Then you need to read gooder. 
I never ever once said that or referenced that at all. You fans constantly forget THIS - IS - A - BUSINESS. I have said that over and over and over again on this.
One of the biggest reasons UMG basically bailed on Axl with CD was because there were NO SINGLES on Chinese, other than maybe Better. If Chinese Democracy-the track is your lead single... you're fucked. They had nothing to push. Record companies, even if they die hard on this concept will ALWAYS want something easily accessible that they can throw on radio, soundtracks, iTunes and even people who might not even like the artist, will play the song.
GN'R will never ever attain mass popularity again, short of a reunion, and even that will be a "your dad's band" moment. It could be November Rain II, and they will never ever be what they were. Even U2 isn't.
all i want is music that is worthy of the name GnR, music that lives up to that name.
y'know me, it's all about the music, man.
Then what the fuck are the fanboys preaching about NIN/Praxis-type GN'R tracks? All of Chinese doesn't live up to the GN'R name, short of the Axl-led tracks. Anything that even slightly has an industrial-vibe is not living up to the GN'R name. Regardless of what Axl wants, regardless of what his nutswingers want, GN'R were a blues-based hard rock band from the LA scene, and we've yet to have an original record from THAT band since 1991.
You've got a better chance of that happening with a DJ/Richard/Tommy-album than you do with AN-Y-THING from that 1998-2004 period.
imo one of the worst things they could do is try & court casual/popular audience.
Then get into a time machine, go back to 1989 and shoot Axl Rose in the fucking head. Pop him once more, and make sure the job is done.
Otherwise, get your head in the game. THEY AIN'T AN UNDERGROUND BAND, and NEVER EVER WILL BE.
There are too many business deals, too many contracts signed, GN'R is a brand name not just to Axl but to Universal. They want more than LA's New York Dolls. If you wanted what you're asking for, they should've listened to Izzy and stayed LA's Dolls and just been a club band with a cult following.
if it happens by accident that's fine but don't go out w/the idea 'oh we gotta make this amount of songs playable on radio'. that'd just be another betrayal of the original ideas.
This part I actually agree with. All music should always be organic, otherwise you're just a poser.
i mean it was bad enough Axl chasing trends w/the bulk of CD but at least it was some kind of honest endeavour on his part which has always been the case in GnR's music. if they start actively trying to build material for a pop audience it'd be another crime against the name.
No it wouldn't, as long as Axl is finding something he likes. I highly HIGHLY doubt a guy like DJ Ashba would be the #1 lead guitarist in the band if Axl didn't actually like some-thing about modern rock.
Are You With Me is not a bad starting point, but I do agree that if Axl recorded a whole album of Shinedown-type "Second Chance" or "Diamond Eyes"-type tracks would be tiresome after awhile.
But I see no reason why they couldn't record the rockers like Sixx:AM tracks (made rock radio), record the ballads like Axl ballads (UYI leftovers, like CD), and throw a few off-mark tracks in there from the Robin/Bucket-days. Axl's made it clear before he likes doing GN'R albums like Queen-albums. A bunch of different things on there for variety.
nobody needs radio. the internet is the radio. soundcloud the fuck out of a new tune if you want it heard. (of course axl doesn't want anything heard so it's really ALL moot, if he even has anything to be heard).
Everybody in the music business NEEDS radio. But "what is" Radio is changing, that I can agree. Rock radio is dying, and many in the radio industry have adopted a 'more music' format, but it's a streamlined format. Not a "call your local DJ and request it". Plus ROCK on actual radio is deader than hell.
However you still need a radio format. Internet radio is the way to go. Soundcloud is more for B & C-level artists. It's not quite up to par for a GN'R.
=johndivney]the ONLY way GnR will sell records is if Slash is on it. that way it'll get promoted & get exposed. i seriously doubt even if CD or the vault had a song as catchy as SCoM it would breakthru. quality doesn't sell itself to a popular audience. hype sells. there is no hype w/o Slash's name attached.
Completely disagree. You're underestimating the appeal and love for Axl Rose. It's there, even if it's as a heel. His Kimmel appearence was worldwide news, and it wasn't even promoted. He trended on Yahoo every other day for weeks on end until the appearence. Then he appeared, and it was STILL worldwide news.
People love the guy, even if they love to hate him. A catchy song, with his vocals up front, straight-forward 4-5 minute classic, but modern GN'R sound (think a combo of Richard & DJ), and Axl doing promo will get them plenty of press.
With proper promo, and without Slash... I see no reason why right now at this moment Axl can't go platinum with this band.
Re: 2013
no mate, it's not a business.
some people want to make money off of it, that doesn't legitimize it as a business. some of you forget that it's NOT a business.
it's far too important, too big for that kinda talk.
& people might love & love to hate axl. but the point remains they'd care an awful lot more about his songs & records if slash was on there.
no matter how great the material may be, the exposure & interest that slash would generate would have much more reach to a popular audience.
Re: 2013
exactly ^
a song which contradicts axlins idea of going back to 1989 (tho i know lies was a yr earlier).
y'don't make business decisions on the basis of music. if the music's good enough people will get it, rather than trying to get people by making music they want.
if you're treating it as a business you don't record & release OIAM.
that IS GnR. doing what you want in spite of the better judgement of others' wishes & fuck the consequences.
that's what he needs to get back to. instead of playing the suit & this bizness shit which so fascinates axlin & others. that shit is meaningless, OIAM is forever.
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Re: 2013
Sky Dog wrote:on a side note....One in a Million just came on the ipod. Yep. Bad ass mother fuckin song...top to bottom.
Right on. Every so often I listen to Lies out of the blue and get remind how bad ass the solos are on it.
The "R" side of that album is the best 4 songs in a row ever on a GN'R album. Just amazing. 
Re: 2013
RussTCB wrote:Sky Dog wrote:on a side note....One in a Million just came on the ipod. Yep. Bad ass mother fuckin song...top to bottom.
Right on. Every so often I listen to Lies out of the blue and get remind how bad ass the solos are on it.
The "R" side of that album is the best 4 songs in a row ever on a GN'R album. Just amazing.
I was watching "Gone Baby Gone" yesterday... You're Crazy on the jukebox... 
That track was my first Guns experience... The first time I ever heard the F-word in a song. The Lies version... I had yet to hear Appetite. That version is without flaw, and epitomizes everything cool about that band....
Re: 2013
exactly ^
a song which contradicts axlins idea of going back to 1989 (tho i know lies was a yr earlier).
y'don't make business decisions on the basis of music. if the music's good enough people will get it, rather than trying to get people by making music they want.if you're treating it as a business you don't record & release OIAM.
that IS GnR. doing what you want in spite of the better judgement of others' wishes & fuck the consequences.
that's what he needs to get back to. instead of playing the suit & this bizness shit which so fascinates axlin & others. that shit is meaningless, OIAM is forever.
Axl doesn't have that band with him anymore. He was too pussy to keep them around.
So I still don't think you're point applies still. The cast of characters he has right now is BUILT for commercialism. Sorry, but it is what it is. I don't really like it all that much either, but i'd rather have SOME kind of GN'R, than none. I personally would prefer a GN'R with Axl Rose, Buckethead (no Robin or anyone else), Izzy Stradlin, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer & Dizzy Reed releasing an album every two years, that's Praxis meets Nirvana meets Guns meets Stones meets Replacements. That's what music would be to me. But i'm not getting that.
