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- monkeychow
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Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
apex-twin wrote:monkeychow wrote:then you read how Bucket was bullied out of the band and so on..
Haven't read that, but might like to.
Got a link?
I'd like to read more about that, too.
I stress that it's only rumour.
However posters on this thread say that Bucket was driven out by Bullying from Axl's other friends who were jealous of the relationship he had with Axl.
http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/to … head-leave
I wouldn't know if it's true. But you add in the multiple times when management has blocked old timers any access to Axl, how Axl clearly is kept in the dark even about his own schedule, and the way things have been impossible under professional management and I start to wonder.
Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
Gagarin wrote:apex-twin wrote:Haven't read that, but might like to.
Got a link?
I'd like to read more about that, too.
I stress that it's only rumour.
However posters on this thread say that Bucket was driven out by Bullying from Axl's other friends who were jealous of the relationship he had with Axl.
http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?/to … head-leave
I wouldn't know if it's true. But you add in the multiple times when management has blocked old timers any access to Axl, how Axl clearly is kept in the dark even about his own schedule, and the way things have been impossible under professional management and I start to wonder.
Tommy, Robin and Merck were supposedly behind Bucket being pushed out.
Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
First off,
the best-ever description I've ever heard of Guns was that they started as carefully managed sell-outs they are ending as less-carefully managed sell-outs.
And if you think about it for a few minutes, it's actually quite apt. Live Like a Suicide was published by Geffen, covertly under the UZI Suicide moniker. This doesn't contradict the band's artistic merit or ambition, simply it just points out that they saw the money and took it, wasting millions on drugs, alcohol and whatever.
So, it's a bit of a curate's egg to say Guns have suddenly sold out. That much isn't news.
misterID wrote:ANd bands have been doing private parties, functions, weddings, birthdays forever.
Sure. Corporate shows are probably the lowest of the low, but high-profile artists have participated.
Clearly fed up, in 1996 Molson held its first Blind Date Concert. The concept, which has since been exported to the U.S. by sister company Miller Beer, is simple: hold a contest in which winners get to attend an exclusive concert staged by Molson and Miller in a small club — much smaller than the venues where one would otherwise see these megastars.
And here's the clincher: keep the name of the band secret until it steps on stage. Anticipation mounts about the concert (helped along by national ad campaigns building up said anticipation), but the name on everyone's lips isn't David Bowie, the Rolling Stones, Soundgarden, 1NXS or any of the other bands that have played the Dates, it's Molson and Miller.
[...] The rock stars, turned into high-priced hired guns at Molson's bar mitzvah party, continued to find sad little ways to rebel. Almost every musician who played a Blind Date acted out: Courtney Love told a reporter, "God bless Molson.... I douche with it." The Sex Pistols' Johnny Lydon screamed "Thank you for the money" from the stage, and Soundgarden's Chris Cornell told the crowd, "Yeah, we're here because of some fucking beer company... Labatt's."
But the tantrums were all incidental to the main event, in which Molson and Miller were the real rock stars and it didn't really matter how those petulant rent-a-bands behaved.
It's how they make money. They can't rely on record sales anymore.
Here's the clincher:
"He's not motivated by money, he's motivated by his art." - Baz
"Axl Rose was one of the only artists I ever worked with who was never motivated by money. He consistently put the quality of his artistic output above all." - Tom Zutaut
"W, Axl Rose is not interested in fame, money, popularity or what the New York Times or any other paper for that matter might think of him." - Merck
I think you and I are on the same page here, but as you can see, many of Axl's cohorts have done their damnedest to prove otherwise. That's where the rub comes for many people - Axl is not motivated enough by money to go for a reunion, but he is motivated enough by money to play at a French wedding.
Is Axl crazy enough to gamble his mortgage for his obsession on Slash? Place your bets!
We're on the same page that, at the end of the day, touring is a job. Are there things Axl won't do, or will willingly turn down loads of cash to do: absolutely. Refusing to go through with a reunion or do any type of reality show shows this, along with doing things that cost him money. A lot of artists do.
But being "compelled to tour" is kind of a silly thing to say at this point. They are all compelled to tour. It's their job. That's how they pay their bills. All of them.
Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
I don't know what an act would get paid for that, but every show they did only moved (or should have) the tour closer to the break even point, and after that, toward profitability. If they could get a cool million by phoning in (no stage show) for 3 hours, then more power to them. He might not be motivated by money, but he's probably motivated to not lose money and lose the ability to tour in the future. Supposedly they toured in 09/10 at a *loss*.
- monkeychow
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Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
But being "compelled to tour" is kind of a silly thing to say at this point. They are all compelled to tour. It's their job.
I think the implication was that improvements in the final outcomes (eg sucessful tour) are not due to this management being better than professional management but due to Axl having more need to tour to support his lifestyle in 2012 than he did in 2002/06 etc due to changes in the business.
- Smoking Guns
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Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
So sad that a band of this magnitude is run by some half assed family operation.
Re: Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating....
So sad that a band of this magnitude is run by some half assed family operation.
and the "band" isn't of any magnitude anymore. It is a profitable organization that employs a decent amount of people and keeps food on the "family's" plate....as well as Axl's. Honestly, I don't think they are doing a bad job at this point...assuming you, the audience, doesn't care about a reunion....which I know you do. It ain't happenin'. 
