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Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
It's not just my opinion that I don't like CD, it's a lot of people's opinion that they don't like CD. It's great that you love it, but it doesn't change the fact (yes, it's a fact) that you are a very small minority that feels that way.
All the things you say about Slash apply to Axl as well. He hasn't done jack shit without the others either (in spite of your love of CD). Even Axl's babies on UYI needed Slash's contributions to keep them from being pansy songs worse than the most mocked hair band ballads of the 80s. I've said that for years. I've been as critical as anyone over the years about Slash's post Guns work, but I've been equally critical of Axl because they both deserve it.
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
Okay, you're forcing your opinion as fact again. CD was a very good album. Was it as great as it could've been? Hell no. But it has some great songs.
Again, you guys use a very strange calculation to determine that CD was bad and no one cared. First, you ignore the critical praise. It's been stated that the 2 million albums sold doesn't count because the majority came from outside the US, and the logic has been thrown around that anything outside the US doesn't matter. Then the sales it did have in America are attacked that it was all basically curiosity purchases. When you take into account that it was in one store, cutting the spontaneous, casual purchase by about 75% (conservative estimate) Axl sitting on his ass, no real promo, the fact the entire album was leaked and then streamed on their myspace page, which was well advertised in any article mentioning CD's release, that would have seeped up the curious listener factor for anyone who was remotely interested in hearing CD solely based on curiosity. The fact that you want to delegitamize CD as much as you can, and some of you are so obsessed with it, really astounds me. I don't understand it.
I have not seen one inkling of evidence that Slash can produce anything, remotely close to the work he did on Estranged, NR, Locomotive, Coma, etc. A lot of his best material in GN'R were songs written by Izzy. Again, Axl pointed out again that there's a huge myth that Slash brough in Coma and Locomotive as completed songs when they were basically ideas that were fleshed out by the band. And also, didn't Axl have to pay Slash to do those solos on NR and Estranged? And getting him and pushing him to do it was where the band really ended? On both sides?
AFD sounds much more dated than UYI. I think it's the only album that could stand up today as a whole, mainly because it's so damn weird, with some very avant garde moments in it. WTTJ, SCOM, ISE and PC hold up well as songs. AFD as a whole, does not. It's VERY dated. Even if it had been released even in 1992. But the album still rocks. It's a masterpiece. Doesn't mean it doesn't have warts.
And I've done everything I could to point out the lack of success Axl has had post 1993 because of HIM. His actions and inactions. I'm not going to ignore the success he has had or his good moments. I'm just not. I have no agenda talking about his success, and I'm not going to try and rationalize why it shouldn't count, or try to undermine it like painting him as a pouser for experimenting with sounds and genre's, that when Bono does it, he's a genius.
You hold Axl to a different standard to where he fails no matter what he does... Unless he does what you want him to.
Bono, we've had the discussion before, no matter how they were viewed in the 90's in Canada, it's been pointed out to you by numerous people on this board, that during the 90's GN'R had a major backlash with the rise of alt music and were turning into a joke in 1993... I'm sorry. And, going by some of the logic used, any opinion or album sale outside the US doesn't count
And again, I see no evidence that Slash and Duff or even Izzy could bring anything remotely close to what they did together. I'm being serious, they would have much more pressure on them than any kind of pressure Axl had on him by carrying on the name. Even VR albums weren't that fresh or great. I'd rather see Axl do something new with a new players than to try and live up to something they couldn't possibly live up to and really something he doesn't want to be a part of. That line up deserves to leave a legacy better than a rehash. To think they could just pick up where they left off is pretty unrealistic.
Again, it's your opinion that you don't like CD. I think some of GN'Rs best songs are on that album.
I honestly stopped reading after you accused me of expressing my opinion as fact then go on to say "CD was a very good album with great songs" Hilariously hypocritical and you don't even realzie it. I have no doubt that all you do in the rest of this post is express your opinion as fact. Like the "fact" the 2002 band has way more chemistry and creative potential than the original lineup. Like the world would've laughed at another Gn'R album with Slash in 1995. 
Honestly you are insane
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Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
Hmmm...somehow I'm disagreeing with both sides of this conversation at once.
I agree with ID that some of the bashing of Chinese Democracy is beyond illogical, and frankly, depending on what a person enjoys about GNR (which was a band with many different facets to it's sound) then some of a person's favourite GNR moments might be on CD.
However I couldn't disagree more about Slash's playing all being good because of Izzy and that he hasn't done anything post GNR. His playing now is better than ever and his guitar works as a whole destroy izzy entirely. Slash is a guitarist that inspired millions pf people to learn to play guitar...izzy isn't...there's a reason for that. Frankly..much of slash's outside of GNR work is superior to his GNR work in terms of the raw guitar parts...all that's missing is the interaction of the others.
CD is the evolution of Axl's UYI style ballads, just as I think Apocalyptic Love is the evolution of Slash's guitar driven rockers from UYI. They are both making very similar music to what they have always done in terms of their own contributions to the music, just influenced by the styles of the others around them differently.
- monkeychow
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Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
Actually I'm going to push it further.
I think both guys when looking at *the bit they contribute* are performing BETTER than in GNR. Yes. I said it.
The Anastasia solo and outro from Slash is better than any studio guitar solo Slash did in GNR. Likewise...the screams in TWAT, IRS, parts of Scrapped, Catcher...Axl's best vocal passion has been recorded on Chinese not on his earlier recordings.
That is - measure them against themselves - Axl on CD is better than Axl on UYI. Slash on AL is better than he is on UYI. The only reason the modern songs as a whole are not as classic is because they are working in isolation from each other.
In a world where they were friends the music would be superior to anything previously done. Imagine the riffs and solos in anastasia with Axl's kind of passion in TWAT added over it....it would be far better than classic GNR was....because both guys have improved...(at least in the studio...not sure about Axl's live voice these days)
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
I just get a kick out of watching you guys write these long rambling essays when I can wrap it up in a few words.....
"Axl simply dropped the ball too many times. I think he could have done better with the new band if he made some better decisions. He didn't. In the end, once Slash left, he should have put Gnr to rest and moved on."
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
Actually I'm going to push it further.
I think both guys when looking at *the bit they contribute* are performing BETTER than in GNR. Yes. I said it.
The Anastasia solo and outro from Slash is better than any studio guitar solo Slash did in GNR. Likewise...the screams in TWAT, IRS, parts of Scrapped, Catcher...Axl's best vocal passion has been recorded on Chinese not on his earlier recordings.
That is - measure them against themselves - Axl on CD is better than Axl on UYI. Slash on AL is better than he is on UYI. The only reason the modern songs as a whole are not as classic is because they are working in isolation from each other.
In a world where they were friends the music would be superior to anything previously done. Imagine the riffs and solos in anastasia with Axl's kind of passion in TWAT added over it....it would be far better than classic GNR was....because both guys have improved...(at least in the studio...not sure about Axl's live voice these days)
You'll never convince me the solo in Anastaisa is better than anything Slash has ever done. Not even close. There's more to a good solo then mindless noodling. It's a good solo but it lacks all the things that made the solos in Classic Gn'R songs classic solos.
I will agree with you though that Slash's technical ability now is better than ever. Axl's singing ability(live) unfortunately isn't BUT Axl can write great songs, he just needs someone like Slash to allow the true vision of the songs to come to fruition. I have no doubt in my mind had Slash been the guitar player on CD all those songs would be so much better. Ten times better and not because of his technical skill but rather his ability to thrive off where Axl is going. him and Axl complimented each other so well and they always did. For ID or anyone to suggest that if they worked together again it wouldn't work is baseless cause there's nothing to suggest it wouldn't work as far as musical output goes. When forced to work together they create magic.
For the record I don't think either of them has done anything remotely close to their past work with Gn'R. Axl is a shell of himself on CD vocally and lyrically and with no restraint when it comes to ideas. It's like chill out and keep it simple. Less is more. Something he clearly doesn't get. Slash in my opinion has made good rockers but nothing overly memorable and he hasn't had an incredibly lyracist and vocalist ala Axl to drive things.
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
My problem with the guitars on CD is that for the most part, they are "abrasive". Axl has an abrasive voice so he is better with a "rounder" less abrasive guitar. Slash can be abrasive but for the most part he is clean and crystal clear. Even his dirty riffs have a certain tone to them that match Axl's voice...ying and yang.
I just find myself at parts of CD cringing due to the abrasive on abrasive vocals and guitars. Riad is a good example. A potentially killer jam and groove buried by 6 disonant geetars.
Re: Slash on Piers Morgan
You know, it's not just my opinion when CD got good reviews, was voted as one of the best albums of the year and Better voted as one of the best singles of the year by Rollingstone. It's not my opinion that the album sold over 2 million albums. You guys either ignore these facts and make up your own reasons for why it had any level of success along with an * to explain it away. I never said it was hugely popular. Not once. And I've stated that I'm talking about my own personal taste when it comes to the 02 line up. The 90s would not have been kind to GN'R, so I am glad they didn't put anything out, instead of just releasing something no one really had their heart into.
How well Slash plays now, and I'm not disputing that, isn't the same as writing a song. If Slash had someone who wrote the structure for a song and he came along and blew it out, it could be beyond amazing... Depending who that person is.
"For ID or anyone to suggest that if they worked together again it wouldn't work is baseless cause there's nothing to suggest it wouldn't work as far as musical output goes. When forced to work together they create magic."
Well, the irony here is the last time they were forced to work together they didn't create magic. They created nothing. And the band broke up.
