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- tejastech08
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Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
tejastech08 wrote:Gunslinger wrote:Right now Blu-Ray is winning the war. Blockbuster isn't even carrying HD-Dvd any longer. As far as video quality they are both excellent and it would be hard to say which is better athough (strictly an opinion here) I think the blu-rays can produce a bit more "depth" in the picture quality. From a technical standpoint the Blu- Ray is superior as it can hold 15x the info that a HD-DVD can. That doesn't mean that it will come out the victor. Betamax was superior to the VHS yet VHS won. MD was superior to the CD, CD won.
15 times? Who the fuck told you that? A dual layer Blu-ray is 50 gigs. A dual layer HD DVD is 30 gigs. Since when is 50 divided by 30 equal to 15? 1.67 is more like it.
Noboby "told me" I have worked in electronics (until recently due to a family sickness) for years. I worked closely with the industry leaders and I know my shit. However I did not mean FIFTEEEN times but FIVE times (even then I was being modest considering it is actually closer to 7x). Plans are to have a 250 gig Blu Ray discs out by the end of this year and TDK had already made a prototype near the end of 2006 that could store 200 gigs. The potential is one huge reason Blu Ray is winning.
Here's the article: http://www.betanews.com/article/TDK_Dev … 1157125164
That is not likely to be used for movies but rather for data storage. And it's not the current spec so you shouldn't have said that it can do it because it currently can't. Not sure where you're getting the 7x number either. HD DVD confirmed a spec for a 51 gig disc in December. It will never see the light of day because HD DVD has already lost the war and will be discontinued sometime in the near future. At any rate, 250/50 = 5 times.
Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
monkeychow wrote:Does that mean I should not buy a Blu Ray player just yet? Like will it change?
It could but I wouldn't let that stop you. It is basically the storage media that is being improved for the most part. Of course the longer you wait the lesser the price, so that is always a good reason to procrastinate.
If you want a inexpensive way to enjoy higher quality viewing of the dvds you own right now just go buy an inexpensive dvd player that up-converts. You can get them for 30.00 bucks or so at Wally-World right now. It's a good way to improve your viewing without paying a lot of cash out. I only have a Blu Ray because I got a PS3. The high definition is definitely amazing but I wouldn't have spent the cash just for that reason. It's just a matter of what gives you the most enjoyment and literally how much it is worth to you.
used to use my ps2 @ a dvd player and it got all fucked up, so like Randall Flagg said, i'd advise against using a videogame console as a movie player as well, but only cuz i already got burnt doing it
Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
I can see this school of thought. As a matter of fact, this is the first time ever I could be considered an "early adapter". I've never jumped into new tech early even though I've worked with it my whole life. I feel very confident that Blu Ray will win and since I purchased a 40" 1080p TV, I just went ahead and made the jump.
yeah when i buy a HD TV i'll me making the jump too..might as welll do it all at once...like my current config...all i had was a cheap as DVD player and a 19" tv so when i upgraded to a bigger TV i got all my compoents at the same time....now don't anybody feel to jealous here
but i got a 28" flatscreen Toshiba tube TV and a Toshiba Surround sound in a box (5 Speakers, Bass Sub, Radio Tuner & DVD Player)
oooh ahhhh 
- monkeychow
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Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
I'm going to make the jump soon or i was until i just got pissed off about it. My story is this:
I use front projection - and my projector is about to die - so its time to get a new one - and makes sence to get a 1080p projector cos they just came down in price. So hense - time to get some 1080p signals to put into it...plus I might be able to get it cheaper if i package it with a blu-ray.
But here's what's shat me off.....
It seems that the new HD sound formats for blu-ray are all only sent via HDMI (ie DTS MA etc), now the new projecor has HDMI no probs...but my audio receiver doesn't cos I currently use an optical connection which was supported on the older formats like DTS-ES. So this means i'm also going to have to buy a new receiver as well...and that's going to get obsene...i just can't justify buying a new projector, HD player, and receiver at the same time. All i want is a damn optical link as well as hdmi. Worse still...it seems NONE of the Blu-ray players in australia decode all the formats...they all do some but not others...how gay is that!!
So maybe i'll just get a projector and upscale some other way and sit it out until someone makes a player that, you know, actually plays the format.
- tejastech08
- Rep: 194
Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
Neemo wrote:russtcb wrote:I can see this school of thought. As a matter of fact, this is the first time ever I could be considered an "early adapter". I've never jumped into new tech early even though I've worked with it my whole life. I feel very confident that Blu Ray will win and since I purchased a 40" 1080p TV, I just went ahead and made the jump.
yeah when i buy a HD TV i'll me making the jump too..might as welll do it all at once...like my current config...all i had was a cheap as DVD player and a 19" tv so when i upgraded to a bigger TV i got all my compoents at the same time....now don't anybody feel to jealous here
but i got a 28" flatscreen Toshiba tube TV and a Toshiba Surround sound in a box (5 Speakers, Bass Sub, Radio Tuner & DVD Player)
oooh ahhhh
I totally did the same thing around 99 or 2000. I ended up with a 32" Toshiba as well. I got a Pioneer DVD player as my first and it's still kicking. I use it as a secondary player for the bedroom. It's slow but does it's just still and it's seen ALOT of play though the years. It used to function as the CD player for the living room on top of playing the occasional movie.
But back to the subject, I believe the jump will get easier this year. I see the prices of the players coming down. No one really debuted anything big and new at CES in their player line so I assume the pricing on the current players will drop though the year.
The software is getting better pricing too. Target is generally $5 - $10 cheaper on movies then everywhere else and I stumbled across a Buy One, Get One Free deal on Amazon. Using that deal I order The Usual Suspects and got The Departed for free, can't beat that!
Amazon is the best place to buy high def movies. Blu-ray has had several BOGO's on there lately and their prices are much better to begin with than the likes of Best Buy, Circuit City, Target, or Wal-Mart.
As for players, there is a big difference between 99% of the current non-PS3 players and the players announced at CES. HD DVD has had picture-in-picture ability from the beginning, but Blu-ray has finally caught up on this aspect. Older players, which will be severely discounted this year, will not be upgradeable. The PS3 has already been upgraded and is future-proof. All of the players announced at CES were profile 1.1, which is the profile that implements PIP ability. Only 1 stand alone player had 1.1 compliance before the announcements at CES. It's made by Panasonic. Anyone buying a Blu-ray player that wants to be able to watch all of the special features should stay away from profile 1.0 players. If you don't care about the PIP function, then profile 1.0 players will get pretty cheap this year. Probably less than $200 is my guess. The 300 HD DVD PIP commentary is awesome. It shows a blue screen version of the film with the director's comments on how they transformed the blue screen into the final product, which obviously plays in the main window. I think Warner will probably re-release it on Blu-ray at some point since the current Blu-ray version does not have this since none of the 1.1 players existed when 300 came out.
- tejastech08
- Rep: 194
Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
I'm going to make the jump soon or i was until i just got pissed off about it. My story is this:
I use front projection - and my projector is about to die - so its time to get a new one - and makes sence to get a 1080p projector cos they just came down in price. So hense - time to get some 1080p signals to put into it...plus I might be able to get it cheaper if i package it with a blu-ray.
But here's what's shat me off.....
It seems that the new HD sound formats for blu-ray are all only sent via HDMI (ie DTS MA etc), now the new projecor has HDMI no probs...but my audio receiver doesn't cos I currently use an optical connection which was supported on the older formats like DTS-ES. So this means i'm also going to have to buy a new receiver as well...and that's going to get obsene...i just can't justify buying a new projector, HD player, and receiver at the same time. All i want is a damn optical link as well as hdmi. Worse still...it seems NONE of the Blu-ray players in australia decode all the formats...they all do some but not others...how gay is that!!
So maybe i'll just get a projector and upscale some other way and sit it out until someone makes a player that, you know, actually plays the format.
You are incorrect. You can downgrade the sound to DTS or Dolby through optical on Blu-ray players. Many of them come with optical and digital coax audio outputs. If regular DTS and Dolby are good enough for you, then stick with them by all means and do NOT fear upgrading to a high def movie player. You will still be able to listen to surround sound through an optical connection.
