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Re: Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him"
He's done with GN'R.
It's in the past.
He's not going to mention GN'R again. Ever.
Especially not Axl.
He's done with Axl.
He's not mentioning Axl ever again.
Ever.
He's gonna play GN'R tunes.
But he's done with it.
He's done talking about GN'R.
It's in the past.
If he has one thing to say about GN'R, it's that he isn't saying anything about GN'R. Anymore.
Ever.
Yeah thank God Axl never talked in 'final' terms like that with the old band.
He'd of stepped over that dog shit multiple times now.
For as obessed as Steven is about Axl, Axl is equally if not more obsessed with Slash. All he does is talk about Slash over and over, more than even the new band.
Slash & Duff seem to be the only real stable ones.
None of these guys should talk in 'final' terms, especially being they were all in a band as popular as it was and the old band still is. They will always be talking about each other. They need to just give it up, get in a room, fight, fuck, make some music... whatever.
Regardless, this is gonna go away as much as both the old AND new band fans wish it would. This cloud will ALWAYS hang over them until it happens. Why? The media.
The media can sell stories on Axl being an asshole. The media can sell stories on "Guns N' Roses reunion".
The media cannot sell stories on "Axl saves kitten from tree; then helps blind elderly women across street". The media cannot sell stories on "Guns N' Roses album kicks ass without Slash".
Thus the reunion pot will never die until either Axl or Slash is dead.
Re: Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him"
Yeah Adler's response was very emotional, kinda like alot of the fans. I kinda feel bad for him, because I think even Slash was concerned with how much Steven existed for the reunion. Hoped for the reunion.
I think Slash almost hoped for it for Steven's sake. But you can't in some ways blame Steven for looking at it as "everyone wants this, and we can all fix it together for the world, but one man refuses to for no real reason at all".
And he's right. That has GOT to be beyond frustrating for anyone dealing with that, let alone something as big as Guns N' Roses.
Steven reminds me of my own uncle. Last year my grandfather died, and within a month my grandmother who was married to him for 53 years, was sleeping with another man. Alot of us, my father and other uncle, and myself... just kinda accepted it. Time moves on and he's dead.
But not my other uncle. He came up with and still does, blame everything under the sun, including the man. My grandmother "had an emotional breakdown", "she's been brainwashed", everything... because he just can't accept that his mother... is a slut. She is. But does it really matter? No. It just doesn't in the scheme of life.
But my uncle won't let it go, and won't accept or deal with BLAMING HER.
And Steven is identical to that with Axl. His dreams and his world is blowing up in his mind, and Axl is fucking it up with no real cause, Steven doesn't understand it, but in reality you've got Axl & Slash on the same side of the issue for once saying, "dude, it was like 20 years ago. People get divorced man". And Steven is there like the child of Axl & Slash kicking and screaming refusing to accept that mommy and daddy are apart and are never gonna get back together.
It's tough for all of us. Regardless of what the new band geeks think. It's tough for everyone. But Axl's careless and thoughtless attitude about it (like he's owed it, like my grandmother), just enhances the situation and makes it worse. It doesn't help at all.
But what do you do? Nothing really.
Re: Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him"
You know, my main thought on the whole HOf thing, no matter how much Slash said it was for the fans. I don't believe that AT ALL. I think he could have no-showed just as easy as Axl did. I'm positive Slash did the HOF 100% for Steven.
Re: Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him"
I think so too, good point. Which despite his past errors in judgment, is pretty damn standup on Slash's part. When Dee Snider told Slash, Axl won't be there and it washed all over his face, I think it had more to do with Steven.
Otherwise why would Slash care? He hasn't been in, nor cared about the band in years.
Duff is the one I believe did it for the fans and the symbolism of the whole thing. Matt did it for himself. Gilby was there because the beer was cold.
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Re: Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him"
Oh..yeah we kind of saw Matt's agenda with the whole thing. I feel for Steven; but life goes on I suppose. They put on a good show despite all the issues. I completely agree on the fact that Slash did it for Steven cause he wanted to be there for him and means so much to the guy. Even though Slash really hates to talk about the old days and just wants to focus on the music they made and all that jazz. Got to give my props to Duff.
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Re: Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him"
Gilby was there because the beer was cold.
A bit harsh. Gilby stood up to the plate again, when it was all too much for Izzy, just like he did on the UYI world tour. I give props to the guy.
Re: Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him"
I think Slash almost hoped for it for Steven's sake. But you can't in some ways blame Steven for looking at it as "everyone wants this, and we can all fix it together for the world, but one man refuses to for no real reason at all".
And in some ways, you can.
Axl had a point in saying Steven's way too unstable still, given one person (Axl) can make or break his happiness. It's easy to vilify the other person and keep him as the root of all evil when you wonder why he doesn't do as you please.
And Steven needs to look at it for what it is - he got to perform with Slash and Duff, was recognised for his contributions to the GNR legacy, was able to represent that era, etc.
Demanding Axl to be there, without any consideration towards Axl's feelings on the matter, is rather self-absorbed and shows Stevie hasn't grown up much during his years in the wild. Of course, a lot of these things can be said about Axl as well.
Re: Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him"
Axlin12 wrote:Gilby was there because the beer was cold.
A bit harsh. Gilby stood up to the plate again, when it was all too much for Izzy, just like he did on the UYI world tour. I give props to the guy.
I actually completely said that as a full compliment towards Gilby. I think Gilby was there for entirely selfless reasons. Quite admirable. I gave Gilby full props for coming through, and a nice touch to the fans in a completist sort of way.
I think he was there for his buddies, fans and to celebrate, thus the beer comment. In no way was it a dig. Gilby is the man.
Axlin12 wrote:I think Slash almost hoped for it for Steven's sake. But you can't in some ways blame Steven for looking at it as "everyone wants this, and we can all fix it together for the world, but one man refuses to for no real reason at all".
And in some ways, you can.
Axl had a point in saying Steven's way too unstable still, given one person (Axl) can make or break his happiness. It's easy to vilify the other person and keep him as the root of all evil when you wonder why he doesn't do as you please.
And Steven needs to look at it for what it is - he got to perform with Slash and Duff, was recognised for his contributions to the GNR legacy, was able to represent that era, etc.
Demanding Axl to be there, without any consideration towards Axl's feelings on the matter, is rather self-absorbed and shows Stevie hasn't grown up much during his years in the wild. Of course, a lot of these things can be said about Axl as well.
As you said, you can say these things about Axl as well. I think the problem that villifies Axl is that Axl is almost never sefless and seems pretty publicly self-centered (although there are stories to the contrary).
Steven is the good guy here. Look at history. Steven gets fired for doing "too many drugs" in Guns N' Roses. Of all bands. At the same time Axl was doing coke, Izzy & Slash were full blown junkies, and Duff was a Layne Staley-powered alcoholic. But Steven gets fired
Look at how generous Steven has been with fans, as well as his friend Slash, as well as how well he comes off in interviews.
Axl just doesn't, on every account. He comes across as a self-centered asshole who denies just about everyone, including his own fans, what they are owed, simply because it doesn't play into "Axl's plan", whatever the fuck that is, which is pretty much egotism multiplied by infinity.
Does that make Axl the bad guy? Not necessarily because he's still a human being, with feelings that are just as valid as anyone else, but at the same time... he just comes across as the dick once again.
Like i've said in various other places before, had Axl just made the letter about the Hall and left his bandmates OUT OF IT, and just congratulated Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Steven (at least) individually and what they complished, he would have came across SO MUCH better publicly.
Just think how Axl's letter would of came across if he referenced specific solos by Slash, written songs by Izzy, concepts by Duff, and the overall groove by Steven. Just a few sentences.
We'd have a whole different ballgame today, even with the band members themselves. Once again... Axl = selfish to the extreme.
Re: Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him"
Axlin12 wrote:Gilby was there because the beer was cold.
A bit harsh. Gilby stood up to the plate again, when it was all too much for Izzy, just like he did on the UYI world tour. I give props to the guy.
Gilby went because they invited him. I don't know what he did that was so great here. They were basically throwing him a bone and he was happy to go.
