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- elevendayempire
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Re: Hologram Performances Discussion
I dunno quite how to feel about this - largely because they're not using actual images of Tupac, they're using a CGI creation like the young Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy. But at least the young Jeff Bridges was created using performance capture of old Jeff Bridges. It looks like Tupac was rendered using motion capture of a completely different person performing a pastiche of Tupac's stage moves. Totally different thing.
If there was some way of capturing the performance of an artist and rendering it as a 3D hologram, fair enough, but this is... well, it's a tribute act. An imitation. Even bits of the vocals can't be Tupac's real voice - he didn't perform at Coachella in life, did he? So that bit at the beginning where he goes, "What up, Coachella?" must be an impersonator.
Weirdly, one instance where you could render someone's actual performance is our very own Slash - using the motion-capture work he did for Guitar Hero III.
It's a bit of a conundrum, because the only way you'll actually capture a performance for posterity as a 3D hologram is if you get a living artist to agree to do their stage routine in a performance capture rig. But to do that you'd have to tell them that you're capturing a performance so that if they die you can create a CGI version of them to project as a hologram. Which is a bit ghoulish.
Re: Hologram Performances Discussion
But the other applications are what concern me. So let's say in 30 years or so, there's a "GN'R Reunion Tour" because of technology like this? Or a CCR reunion, or whatever, the list goes on. I don't think it would be ok for artists to be doing something in death they didn't want to do in life, ya know?
When an artist is dead they have no ability to speak for themselves regardlessof the situation. Whether it be a reunited Guns N' Roses or 2Pac himself performing at Coachella. 2Pac had no say in this so a "reunited" Guns N' Roses would be no different cause in death none of them would have a say. You can't be ok with it for some dead artists and then have issues with it cause it might disrespect Axl or Fogerty or whoever. You're either ok with this or not because like I said in the end the artist has no say. They are DEAD and it's not up to the living to decide what they would or wouldn't like to have done. In the end this is all about living people making money off the dead.
The technology is really cool no doubt. The morality of it I find pretty weird cause it's only gonna get more realistic and the lines will definitely be blurred as to what's acceptable and what's not. It's a hop skip and a jump away from cloning in a way.
I think Axl Rose is a fucking dick for not wanting to reunite at least for one night BUT I would never think it's ok for some promotion to digitally inhance a reunion once he's dead. That's way off side no matter how much I disgaree with Axl Rose.
I voted no. I don't agree with it. Like I said the technology is cool but it's just so fake and crosses too many lines in my opinion.
Re: Hologram Performances Discussion
Jesus, this is so sick.
At least they're not cloning him. 
This totally opens up the door for a purely computer generated artist. Have an algorithm crank out mathematically pleasing melodies. Then you create the artist reflecting the needs of the proper demographic, the right voice, right color of skin, right hair, right opinions etc.
Boy, if we thought Bieber and gang were some fake plastic crap this is gonna take it to the whole next level. Reality's about to take off at the next intersection, never to be seen again.
- elevendayempire
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Re: Hologram Performances Discussion
This totally opens up the door for a purely computer generated artist. Have an algorithm crank out mathematically pleasing melodies. Then you create the artist reflecting the needs of the proper demographic, the right voice, right color of skin, right hair, right opinions etc.
It's been done. By - who else? - the Japanese:
- monkeychow
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Re: Hologram Performances Discussion
It looks like a good tech. I will be enjoying it when my TV is like that in the lounge room.
I'll also go see VR when they have the new lead singer..holographic W. Axl Rose 
But the real limitation with this comes from the source material. As said above it's essentially a tribute act made with CGI to resemble someone else. You can't get "new" real audio or vision. You can only simulate and replicate.
Which will make it fun to relive past memories, just like watching the DVD is. So you could go see GNR at the tokyo show in front of you, or Led Zep from the 1970s...but they arn't going to bust into a new song......so I see it as a novelty tech in stadiums...it's fun...but would be more fun in the lounge room.
- monkeychow
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Re: Hologram Performances Discussion
I guess I approve of the technology but maybe not of the application to it to gangster rap.
I enjoy the actual music...but a part of rap culture is pretty sick...creating divisions between the east and west coast of the one nation...encouraging violence against fellow citizens and perpetuating the idea of African American gangster-hood, drug-dealing and ghetto culture.
I guess I'm on thin ice considering metal is frequently drug praising, misogynistic music or whatever itself.....
But to an extent I feel Snoop Dogg and Dre and those folks live on the riches they've amassed, riches that flow on the river of blood of gang warfare committed in their names....but the price of being a gangster is that people like Tupac die....then they use those ritches to reanimate and glorify them...
so I dunno...questionable application...but cool technology.
Re: Hologram Performances Discussion
I like it. I think it's incredibly cool, and shocking technology has went this far. Does it dilute the artist's message? Absolutely, but hey everybody want this technology, Facebook-lovin' bullshit, so lets do it.
Elvis & MJ are obvious ones, as is Lennon & Hendrix and The Doors.
I personally would love to see a 70-72 era Stones hologram show.
I think another very obvious one is Queen doing a tour with Freddie 2.0
I could see alot of love and effort going into that one with Queen's remaining huge worldwide fanbase, and the obvious wants of Brian & Roger to still tour, and the obvious hole still left by King Mercury all these years later.
