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Re: Hall Of Fame Conspiracy Theory
Here's a hypothetical
What would happen if Axl were to tell the RRHOF that he will perform, but only on the grounds that in addition to the original members, that the new band is also playing at the same time - so like requesting and all star jam session of PC or whatever song with like the 5 oldies and the other 7 new members or whatever.
Would Slash agree to it? And would the hall?
NO Slash wouldn't and I'd be offended at that as a fan if he even suggested.
Loved watching New band live 100 percent, but Don't want them there fucking up my Nostalgia.
Play with original band or fuck off.
thats my message to Axl.
time for him to get on board or Fuck off.
- monkeychow
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Re: Hall Of Fame Conspiracy Theory
Here's my thing.
This night is about 1986-1993 or whatever and thus in a way has nothing to do with the new band - it's about honouring what was, and the legacy that created the GNR brand and put it into the minds of popular consciousness.
But that said..
If you think about GNR as Axl's business, he seems to have been working recently to make it into a more functional active band. The tours, the streamed shows, the new fan club and stuff. Not saying he's trying to go back to 1991 fame or anything, but I'd say there's an effort to keep GNR as a viable entity and update it's practises to modern times (twitter, facebook etc)
Now I know many people consider it sacrilegious that he runs the modern band under the GNR moniker, but the thing is he does, which leaves him in a dilemma here.
If he reunites with the old guys, even for one night, as GNR - then it causes chaos with that. I mean what happens? Causals who liked the performance of PC with Steven, Izzy, Slash and Duff go sign up to the website and then discover that none of those people are in the band? And hardcores. Let's face it - many of us have grown to love the new guys and accept things as they are - but the weight of the ocean is with people who want a reunion - and a taste of Axl+Slash on together will ignite a flame that would take decades to quash back to current level (which is that people want it but they tolerate it not happening and still support Axl+Slash's solo stuff).
I just can't see how it can be done without totally undermining Axl's agenda and current work - it would be like banning all junk food for 15 years and telling people the healthy food is what they like - then 1 night allowing them to eat junk again - then the next day resuming the health diet. It's a tough ask.
So i've been thinking. What can you do in this situation if you are Axl?
To play devil's advocate:
1. You can no-show - but that makes you the devil in the eyes of people.
2. You can try and re-focus the performance so that there's some preservation of what you do and it's not seen as you going back to your old group. So then you simply invite Slash/Duff/Steven/Izzy to play WITH Guns N Roses and not AS Guns N Roses. Sure it would still do damage - but the presence of your whole modern troup around the classic members would certainly change the vibe. From a PR POV it would change the focus from reunion of a defunct band to kindly allowing people who quit GNR years ago to have a moment in the sun to honour their legacy and contribution back in the day, but firmly pressing the point that GNR has moved on and is ongoing.
Not saying Axl will do this or should do this - but I can see it as one way out of his dilemma.
It would be odd too, cos we'd still get a reunion but it would be on such bizzare terms. Much like the Seinfeld reunion they had on Curb Your Enthusiasm. Sure it was putting all the people together as we wanted, just for a taste, but it wasn't quite a return to the old days either because it was all staged around the modern activities of the brand.
It's also semi consistant with what metallica did - have Jason up there but also Rob.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's what anyone would want to happen, but when has GNR ever been about what we all want 
Re: Hall Of Fame Conspiracy Theory
The problem is monkey... Axl has no agenda. Axl is pushing a nostagia band of hits that ain't nothing but a tribute to BOTH the old band and the CD era.
So in a way, Axl's agenda is to push interest in people attending shows to hear old songs. Playing old songs at the Hall will accomplish that. Done deal.
There is no real burden in Axl performing with the old band, OR having Slash & Duff join the current band on stage for a performance.
GN'R & Axl are right back where they were at before.
Nobody, including the industry is expecting Axl to reunite, because nobody thinks Axl is that smart anymore, and Slash just doesn't care anymore.
On the flip side of that... I don't think Slash would agree to perform with the new GN'R in a million zillion years, just out of principle. He's just as big of a diva for different reasons as Axl, and I think he would balk at that, even though Slash knows DJ & Ron and is supposed to be cool with them, and vice versa.
Axlin12 wrote:I agree. It'd rather have one awkward moment with hints of coolness or one night, than nothing at all.
Think if your single, and there's this ex-girlfriend you click with again catching up. Just because you end the night fucking, and it's okay, doesn't mean you regret it, and it also doesn't mean you have to marry her.
That's the 2012 GN'R reunion in a nutshell.
You… you want to fuck GN'R?
Funny. You reminded me of this porno scene I saw once with that same concept.
Pretty great gangbang scene too actually. One of the better ones. 
Axlin12 wrote:I agree. It'd rather have one awkward moment with hints of coolness or one night, than nothing at all.
Think if your single, and there's this ex-girlfriend you click with again catching up. Just because you end the night fucking, and it's okay, doesn't mean you regret it, and it also doesn't mean you have to marry her.
That's the 2012 GN'R reunion in a nutshell.
Yeah, if Axl is not there, they should play 14 Years with Izzy and It's So Easy with Duff, just for the sake of it. Could be great!
Fuck yeah. I said that awhile back and totally agree. If Axl no-shows the thing, it'd be beyond fuckin' cool if they just play without him. But it'll only work if Izzy shows up, sans Axl.
It's So Easy feat. Duff
Mr. Brownstone feat. Duff
Think About You feat. Izzy
Patience feat. Duff
Used To Love Her feat. Izzy
Dust N' Bones feat. Izzy
You Ain't The First feat. Izzy
Double Talkin' Jive feat. Izzy
14 Years feat. Izzy
So Fine feat. Duff
Any one of those songs could be selected and used, and totally work and totally rock. No problems. All GN'R, whether feat. Steven or Matt.
- monkeychow
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Re: Hall Of Fame Conspiracy Theory
The problem is monkey... Axl has no agenda. Axl is pushing a nostagia band of hits that ain't nothing but a tribute to BOTH the old band and the CD era.
But that's the thing - Axl's created this band that can be GNR and is convincing at playing "Jungle" or "Shackler's Revenge". It sort of tampers with that to play the old songs with an old line up.
Also, I still believe Axl will eventually release a CD2.
But maybe you're right...maybe the Slash fest would cause people to jump back to GNR in general and modern GNR reaps the hits once Slash and Izzy are back on their seperate tour wagons. Risky Though - there's bound to be fan backlash.
I guess from Axl's pov i just think - these days it's his brand - he'd get some publicity out of it - but other than that - what's to gain? Potential media fall out if it's better than the new era, potential claims he's lost it if it's worse than back in the day. Potential damage to the legacy that brings people to the hits tour. If GNR reunited and had a shit shit show then it would really damage the enigma of the band's best years. While people say it was over by 1993 that band was still dangerously kickass. The benefit to guys like steven is obvious but from Axl's position I see a lot of risk in any kind of reunion.
Re: Hall Of Fame Conspiracy Theory
How bout this for a conspiracy:
Axl would never play with old guys, cause by comparison people would prob rip him a new asshole:
Think about it: Duff is ripped looks great and still plays great, Slash still looks same, great shape, playing better than he ever has..if Matt drums, he is lean and plays good, Izzy still looks like Izzy.. then You would have Axl, the only one who doesn't look or sound as good. so the press prob would run with that angle also.....
- tejastech08
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Re: Hall Of Fame Conspiracy Theory
How bout this for a conspiracy:
Axl would never play with old guys, cause by comparison people would prob rip him a new asshole:
Think about it: Duff is ripped looks great and still plays great, Slash still looks same, great shape, playing better than he ever has..if Matt drums, he is lean and plays good, Izzy still looks like Izzy.. then You would have Axl, the only one who doesn't look or sound as good. so the press prob would run with that angle also.....
Yep. Precisely why the "nostalgia" everyone keeps referring to is already shot to hell in the first place.
Re: Hall Of Fame Conspiracy Theory
i think most people understand that instruments dont lose their sound quality like human voices do with age.
i do worry that axl would sing poorly due to nerves or temperment if they do play together.
his a game is certainly still adequate though.
Re: Hall Of Fame Conspiracy Theory
i think most people understand that instruments dont lose their sound quality like human voices do with age.
i do worry that axl would sing poorly due to nerves or temperment if they do play together.
his a game is certainly still adequate though.
Problem is, that is bullshit. Axl has only reached that point by crapping out on this current tour in North America.
Just one year. JUST ONE YEAR difference.
Had even the thicker, straight-haired w/ bandana and vintage 1988 voiced, 2010 Axl performed with the current-state old guys...
People's jaws would've dropped and instantly cummed in their pants, screaming how these guys should hook back up, because they would've been 1988 revisted.
But 2011, Rio IV Axl emerged and even his diehards went into overload. Even now, Axl isn't AS bad as 2002, but it's his next to least quality vocal tour.
Another problem is, which NO ONE beyond me seems to address is that in alot of songs, Axl's vocal ability isn't shot... due to laziness he's seemingly forgot how to sing HIS OWN SONGS. That's troubling.
For example, Estranged 2011 started out charming enough, and still has moments of greatness... BUT, Axl goes 2002 helium throughout the entire song, with moments of LOTS of pitchiness. Some say his throat traps shut and gets tight, and thus the crappy vocal.
But the reality is Axl has lost the register/octave to remember how to sing the songs has originally recorded. That is VERY odd, and puzzling.
Estranged throughout the entire song, until the last 1/3 of verses, is supposed to be sung in lower register (think the It's So Easy-register). Axl can still do this, but refuses to. Why? I have no clue. It fucks the song up. Normally Axl slams the AFD songs, but has done the same thing with Mr. Brownstone. Lower register song, that Axl tries to sing in the Jungle voice, and suddenly goes 2002 on Mr. B.
Don't Cry 2011-12 is a perfect example of this erratic behavior. Here's a song he slips in and out on. Like Estranged, most of the song is supposed to be lower registered, until the last 1/3 of verses. Axl starts low, goes high, then goes low, then goes high, then finishes low.
Don't Cry 2012 at Chicago House of Blues was a bizarre moment that actually saw Axl try to hit the lower register on Don't Cry, went TOO low to an almost whisper quality (as if an amateur was singing it at a karoke bar), then when Axl goes back up he's 2002 high again, then when he goes back down, he actually changes keys MID-VERSE, in order to hit the lower register.
Weirdness
Anybody doesn't believe me? Watch Ritz '88, then watch Vegas 2011. Axl actually sings HIGHER today than he did 24 years ago. Maybe he can't hit the lower register all that well anymore? I dunno.
What I think is really strange is own he had it ALL together last year, but lost it when they took a break before the 2011 South American leg.
