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Re: Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
I disagree. The whole point of a hypothetical does not HAVE to be to disregard the facts, especially if you want a credible hypothetical situation. What's the point of a hypothetical argument if it is completely dissimilar to the actual situation being discussed? Not much of one in my book.
And, nice little potshot there at the end. It says a lot that rather than stay on topic, you make a snide comment like that.
Ali
the whole point of something being hypothetical is to take a situation that does not exist and base an opinion on it. Why the hell would anything be hypothetical if you had to have an exact scenario that actually exists to talk about? A credible hypothetical situation? hahaha. It's HYPOTHETICAL!! I's clear as day that it means to use an example that does not exist. It's like asking "how would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot?" Clearly the situation does not exist but hypothetically if it did..... amazing how you do not see that.
You'll call me out for ignoring facts in a hypothetical situation? 
Ok .
I just hope Izzy shows up.. Fuck Axl and Slash.:haha:
true. In all of this Izzy is a wild card on his own. Never even thought of that. Maybe Izzy just doesn't wanna show up
Re: Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
Hopefully I score tickets so I can make a 'Where's Teddy Z" sign, assuming Izzy shows up. I just wanna see them all on stage together, Wouldn't care if they didn't play, hope they will but you cant have it all.
Re: Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
So I'm trying to work out what they can do to solve this.
Option 1:
Have old GNR play a set.
Pros: It's what the fans want.
Cons: Potentially fucks with Axl's re-branding of GNR.
True.
Option 2:
Have seperate peformances.
Pros: They could each showcase their "solo" careers. So like Slash does like "Back from Cali" with Myles and maybe Axl does "This I love" with DJ etc.
Cons: Will annoy many people to have them both there but not co-operating. Does limit set choices to "new" material - as Slash or Axl doing JUNGLE or PC without the other, while the other watches on is too bizzare even for GNR surely.
In my opinion focuses way too much on the new era of Guns N' Roses when clearly they are not the reaosn for the induction.
Option 3:
Have an all-star jam.
Get fucking everyone up at once, old and new.
Pros: Axl won't look like he was being a dick and not forgiving slash but also still gets to pimp out his new boys like Ron and DJ to the wider public.
Cons: Elements of the public might see 4 lead guitarists as overkill. Plus you'd have to work out how to allocate which parts to slash - consdiering if you do AFD stuff it's all his solo not sharing....but maybe it could work if they get up and do covers....like if it's an all star version of a hendrix track or something.
Elements of the public might think 4 lead guitar players is overkill? More like elements of humanity including Gn'R fans would find it overkill. I gotta say the idea of one big jam in my mind is the worst possible scenario. I'd rather Axl's band jam on their own. I'm all for peopel getting along and having a good time but I don't need to see them parade around like one big harmonious Gn'R family ya know.
Option 4:
everyone in GNR old and new goes....but they don't play - the peformance side of it is handled by bands influenced by GNR or bands they like or soemthing.
So maybe you bust out bands like Buckcherry and A7x and they talk about how GNR inspired them back int he day. Or maybe peformances from people like aerosmith or elton john who influenced GNR.
This is called MTV Icons.
Re: Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
Hopefully I score tickets so I can make a 'Where's Teddy Z" sign, assuming Izzy shows up. I just wanna see them all on stage together, Wouldn't care if they didn't play, hope they will but you cant have it all.
I'd like to see them play but I really don't care either. A one off doesn't really benifit anyone in my opinion. Maybe it would be cathartic for the old guys and add some closure but from a fan's perspective I don't need to see it. The speaches more than anything would be interesting. Steven's speach woudl be the one I'd most look forward to. His tendency to say whatever he feels in the moment would be awesome. I can just picture him blurting out "I think we should get back together and give the fans what they want" and then the crowd would proceed to cheer and then what?
Re: Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
-D- wrote:U can argue however u want and i really don't care who all u think should get in.
What pisses me off, is people who can sit there with a straight face and say they don't wanna see Original Appetite lineup perform a couple songs one last time.
I think anyone who says that is fucking nuts. No offense.
I started listening to GN'R in 1988. I was sad to see Slash go in 1996, and Duff in '97. By 1998, I was ready to move on. It's not "fucking nuts" to have made peace with the non-existence of the old lineup.
Ali
in fact i'd say its the least nuts option available...i was a much happier fan once i'd left that shit behind 
Re: Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
The speaches more than anything would be interesting. Steven's speach woudl be the one I'd most look forward to. His tendency to say whatever he feels in the moment would be awesome. I can just picture him blurting out "I think we should get back together and give the fans what they want" and then the crowd would proceed to cheer and then what?
Now you point it out him saying something like that is highly possible
Re: Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
Ali wrote:I disagree. The whole point of a hypothetical does not HAVE to be to disregard the facts, especially if you want a credible hypothetical situation. What's the point of a hypothetical argument if it is completely dissimilar to the actual situation being discussed? Not much of one in my book.
And, nice little potshot there at the end. It says a lot that rather than stay on topic, you make a snide comment like that.
Ali
You'll call me out for ignoring facts in a hypothetical situation?
BLS wrote:I just hope Izzy shows up.. Fuck Axl and Slash.:haha:
true. In all of this Izzy is a wild card on his own. Never even thought of that. Maybe Izzy just doesn't wanna show up
If the basis of the situations are completely different, then what is the point in your absurd hypothetical? What is the point in making an apples to oranges comparison? There is NONE. That is exactly why your hypothetical was called out. You were trying to make a comparison between two completely different scenarios - i.e. compare apples to oranges and it got called out for that.
The point of a hypothetical situation, at least when I use hypothetical situations to further a discussion, is to try and view things from a different perspective. As an example, if person A says something to person B that is callous with regards to a particular sensitivity person A has, I would ask person A, what if person B said something to you about this particular sensitive subject. The point is not to ask person A what if person B said something bigoted and then try and compare that to what person A actually did.
If the scenarios being compared are too dissimilar for someone to suspend disbelief enough to consider the point you're making, your hypothetical loses any and all value. That's what happened here. Rather than acknowledge that happened, you went on the defensive. 
Ali
Re: Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
If the basis of the situations are completely different, then what is the point in your absurd hypothetical? What is the point in making an apples to oranges comparison? There is NONE. That is exactly why your hypothetical was called out. You were trying to make a comparison between two completely different scenarios - i.e. compare apples to oranges and it got called out for that.
The point of a hypothetical situation, at least when I use hypothetical situations to further a discussion, is to try and view things from a different perspective. As an example, if person A says something to person B that is callous with regards to a particular sensitivity person A has, I would ask person A, what if person B said something to you about this particular sensitive subject. The point is not to ask person A what if person B said something bigoted and then try and compare that to what person A actually did.
If the scenarios being compared are too dissimilar for someone to suspend disbelief enough to consider the point you're making, your hypothetical loses any and all value. That's what happened here. Rather than acknowledge that happened, you went on the defensive.
Ali
Holy shit Ali. The point of my hypothetical question was to suggest if hypothetically a situation with another band existed that is exactly what we have with Guns N' Roses, as an outsider(non diehard) looking in how would you feel about it. I created an exat situation while using a different band's name It coudl've been any name.. If you lack the capacity to udnerstand that and see it that way teh I can't help you.
The point of a hypothetical situation, at least when I use hypothetical situations to further a discussion, is to try and view things from a different perspective.
That is exactly what I did. Created a situation that didn't involve Guns N' Roses where people could view it from the perspective as a non diehard fan. Clearly this is lost on you... as are many things I've noticed.
Re: Guns N Roses OFFICIALLY inducted into Rock n Roll Hall of Fame
The more I think on this, the more I think we're going to see "The Inductees" on stage together to accept with a speech from Axl.
I'm guessing that a performance with those same inductees won't happen. Maybe Slash and whomever will jam on a cut, with Axl and whomever jamming separately on a cut?
You really think they'd let Axl and Axl alone speak on their behalf?
