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Re: That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion
Axl needs to answer the late question like this:
I can't turn it on and give the same show other bands give. For me to give my best, It takes me time to get psyched up and ready to go out and give something different and all I have to the fans. I can't go through the motions like a lot of other bands today.. So I may come on late, but I hope the fans realize I only do it so i can give everything i have and do the best i can to give them a special performance/show that they will never forget.
BAM, All is good.
Re: That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion
I think my friend may be confusing Ron for Robin too. Back in 2006 he hated Robin after seeing them at MSG, and at the time Robin was all bearded up. So I think he may just think that was Ron back then. A few weeks ago he asked me if Bumble was still running around like an idiot onstage, which he really doesn't ever do, and that was one of his main problems with Robin. So I think it's a case of mistaken identity.
I kind of thought Ron came off as a tool also.
Re: That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion
I absolutely hate HATE HATE Axl's Mickey Mouse voice and he's using it again, especially on LALD. Look at this this from 06:
Until he stops using the Mickey Mouse voice from 02, 2006 is still head and shoulders above this current tour, at least where Axl's voice is concerned.
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Re: That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion
That 2006 version blows away current version. Wow.... He sounds so weak now on that song.
Re: That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion
Speaking of Robin, my wife met his dad the other day. Robin's dad says Axl was a jerk....that's all she got out of him.
Jamester and MSL can probably elaborate more, but according to the MSL stuff Robin was pretty upset when he left.
Re: That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion
i agree that Axl's high pitched voice is not good right now. but it does seem to come and go. i don't think he's total high-pitched like in 2002. cause i thought based on some earlier clips he was nailing a bunch of songs (TIL and a bunch of others).
i also thought last year he was in great form with the full rasp on. (am i remembering that right?). and he's had it at times in 2011. i hope he gets it all, or at least mostly, back over the next week or so.
also, i've heard from several people that said Axl came off as a very likeable guy. and they thought the questions were great.
i also think that any follow-up questions some people wanted to hear would have been avoided by Axl. you were not getting anything definite on new music, rnr HoF, philly no-show, etc.
Re: That Metal Show, Trunk/GN'R Discussion
Ali wrote:Axlin08 wrote:Nah that wasn't it... Axl just was weak. Simple as that.
Can't remember what I texted Russ during Orlando, but I told him live in real time that LALD was sounding like 2002, and YCBM sounded terrible, Axl of course. Then you'd have a situation where the band fucked up NR, but Axl was on. Moments like that happened.
For the most part Axl's rasp was ACTUALLY there, and he sounded awesome. The YouTube videos proved that. But there were other songs he sounded weaker on, and the TMS pro-shot shit proves that.
Has nothing to do with "great mix". 'Cause I could hear Axl 2002'ing it at times, with the mix live.
Bottom line:
Axl can't sing LALD anymore
Axl CERTAINTLY cannot sing YCBM anymore (I haven't heard a good version of this YET on the 2011 tour)
Axl sings SCOM with a clean, crisp, no rasp ala 2002Sometimes during the outro Axl will slip into 2006-isms on SCOM, and some raspy moments will return, but for the most part Axl sings SCOM like a 2002 CD song. Some people like that. I don't, but Axl wasn't pitchy on it either.
Either way, I don't think it's about the mix. More like "bad" or "biased" ears. Some songs Axl just doesn't have it anymore. I LOVE You Could Be Mine. LOVE IT. The song was MY FIRST Guns N' Roses song. It broke me into the band. I will always love it for that. Always.
But Axl needs to drop it if he can't do it right anymore. Seems to take alot out of him. Obviously it's one of Axl's favorites, and big with the audience, plus it's one of the few UYI trx in the set. It ain't going anywhere.
Shackler's, Miami 2011 was another one where Axl was full blown 2002, struggling. I wonder if that "Tell Frank, no one asked" comment came from. Axl did Shackler's by request of the band, but he didn't feel like he was vocally prepared for it. It showed.
I think the Miami version of "Shackler's Revenge" was the best I've ever heard.
I think Axl intentionally pulled back on his volume during the verses of LALD, and I think it's a smart move to pace himself during a marathon show. His vocal tone was great, and I loved the vibrato he used. I'll never understand how people think singing with a raspy tone is actually good, especially live. I think the cleaner tone both sounds better and is better for his voice, especially if he's concentrating keeping his throat open to do that.
Ali
Two reasons as to why they will fight you for rasp over clean...
1) The songs were originally recorded and presented to the audience sung with rasp, and that tone. Recreating these songs live is why an audience goes to a show. Imagine if Slash performed Jungle with Eddie Van Halen's guitar tone. People would be pissed at him.
2) Alot of times Axl's "clean" voice is also a great revealer of him also winded and pitchy. Rasp hides that. So when he goes 2002-mode, he reveals his weaknesses live vocally more.
jmho
And btw, I relistened to Shackler's Miami 2011, and it was awesome. Very much live-album quality. I must have a different Shackler's in mind that I heard recently and got the two confused.
I honestly don't care how much people "fight me" over it. It's a matter of personal preference for vocal tone, that's it.
I don't think raspiness hides being "pitchy". It can't if you're really listening. And being someone who has sung since he was kid, I can tell you that in my honest opinion, raspiness doesn't hide being winded either. When I don't take in enough air to support my voice, I, like many other singers I know, have a tendency to close their throat more and create that raspy sound.
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