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Re: Could the tide be turning
I've always said we will know for sure, how successful the new band is on the 2nd album not Chinese Democracy. Curiosity alone helped CD alot. So with the next one, we will see how many stayed on board.
I will stand firm that if they can have a good release strategy and an actual kick ass first single/video.. The 2nd one could do really well.
Re: Could the tide be turning
misterID wrote:Your patriotism is very nice, buzz. But still...
Even though the facts are it sold 600,000 in the US, 3 million around the world and had excellent reviews and that's without any great promotion or coinciding tour. Those are facts not opinions.
That's reality. You know, the thing you seem to be ignoring.
Yep. How many sold after the second week? How many sold when they were $1.99? That's reality. You know, the thing you're always ignoring.
It sold 400,000 after the second week, obviously. 
And who's saying a second album would fly off the shelves?
Re: Could the tide be turning
I will agree that the record company and the band (Axl) being on the same page and promoting it properly would certainly help. I'm operating under the assumption that nothing is going to change. If it does change, I'll be much more optimistic that it would match CDs sales and could exceed them.
Re: Could the tide be turning
buzzsaw wrote:misterID wrote:Your patriotism is very nice, buzz. But still...
Even though the facts are it sold 600,000 in the US, 3 million around the world and had excellent reviews and that's without any great promotion or coinciding tour. Those are facts not opinions.
That's reality. You know, the thing you seem to be ignoring.
Yep. How many sold after the second week? How many sold when they were $1.99? That's reality. You know, the thing you're always ignoring.
It sold 400,000 after the second week, obviously.
And who's saying a second album would fly off the shelves?
I would consider matching CDs sales totals without anything changing from a promotion standpoint to be flying off the shelves.
Re: Could the tide be turning
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Buzz to a point. I don't have much faith that things will be much different for the next release. We haven't really been given any indication to think that Axl is all of a sudden going to play along with the mainstream media and go out and pimp his product. I just don't see that happening.
With that being said, I can't see how a follow up release could be handled any worse than CD was, even if Axl is a no show again. That was only part of the problem. Of course, it'll still be tough to match CD's sales numbers with the ever declining state of the record buying industry. If they were to come anywhere close to the same numbers, I'd consider it a success.
Re: Could the tide be turning
Intercourse wrote:People should just go high level and look at the VR and nu-GNR trajectories. Millions of people loved old GNR and remained interested in what the alumni would come back with.
VR came out the gate first and started well. I agree with Monkey that VR2 was a sonic departure and added to their implosion but the sales were sooo small against VR1, that it has to be concluded that many just didn't want any more VR after VR1.
Same with nu-GNR. People wanted to hear what the most expensive cluster fuck album in history sounded like from the world's most enigmatic rock singer. It didn't meet the hype, it didn't set the charts on fire and it had no hits. Why would anybody thing CD2 will fare any better?
The lineup remains as anonomyous as ever, the crowd still really only go mental when the old stuff is played and Estranged blowing up gigs and the internet this year just proves that the world is not really here for CD material at all, they want the old stuff and the rest is just pleasant filler while they wait for the big guns.
To say VR and nu-GNR are totally different and cannot be compared is just too short sighted. To the average joe, VR and GNR 2011 are just two broken pieces of the whole picture. The world really wants the whole picture and is not really too interested in buying fully into bit parts of the old band that wrote the soundtrack to their youth.
VR and nu-GNR follow up albums are not being waited on by the world. Just the same way as Paul McCartney can't sell his solo shit now despite the fact that he was in the Beatles. Its the human condition, we move on.
Right. Which is why crowds have been signing along to every word of This I Love; because they're there for the old stuff.
Show me a video of VR at any time in any country ever with the entire crowd signing Fall To Pieces (or any of their tunes for that matter) and I might see your point.
The fact remains that there ARE people out there who genuinely like Chinese Democracy. You guys can talk this sales figure and that sales figure all you want but as someone already said in the thread "since when do sales have to do with quality" (poor paraphrase but same point).
If record sales meant anything, Kid Rock and Creed would be simply amazing artists. But they're not, their music is shit and a LOT of people buy it. You guys wanna debate album sales and hide behind it as a reason CD "failed" or a reason "it sucks". None of that is true. Many, many people love the songs on it (see the This I Love example above) and that makes it a success in my eyes.
WHOA WHOA WHOA... *TIME*
The fuck?
Dude, you and me both know the only cats in the world singing along to This I Love, as cool as it is, are South Americans.
South Americans are NOT an objective or accurate gauge for new GN'R, it's popularity, the success of Chinese Democracy, the potential success of Guns N' Roses V (2012), or whatever will be with this band.
South Americans are biased fanboys who love Axl no matter what he does. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but truth is truth.
Axl could rape a 12-year old live on stage and they'd sing "Pretty Tied Up" in unison, and cry later about how it was the greatest Guns N' Roses show they'd ever been to.
And once again i'll say this again... an AMERICAN band with an AMERICAN record deal with AMERICAN backers that can't move units in AMERICA, is not a "successful" band.
But the good news for new GN'R fans -- Axl doesn't give a shit. That is obvious. So you might get a new album after all. Who knows.
Re: Could the tide be turning
war wrote:sounds like you are basing a very large and complicated clusterfuck, we call a saga
on...
1-2 persons experiences
that's deep
Oh piss off with that shit.
russtcb wrote:but if the majority of people that heard it were subjectively favorable to it.
No way in hell to even know that.
i see how it is:
your example is just fine when based on you and your friend
mine and russ's is no good, although based on reviews and many more fans, because there is no way to validate it... and i'm to piss off.
did i get that right?
Re: Could the tide be turning
found the thread about sales...it definitely nosedived after about a month like I said...
http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5981
medıatraffıcs reported sales are 1.848.000
WEEK 49 72.000
WEEK 50 640.000
WEEK 51 250.000
WEEK 52 194.000
WEEK 53 215.000
WEEK 1 221.000
WEEK 2 89.000
WEEK 3 56.000
WEEK 4 44.000
WEEK 5 36.000
WEEK 6 31.000
but they can't count all the sales worlwide..these are the only reported sales..
us sales are 550 k
USA
WEEK 1 261.000
WEEK 2 57.000
WEEK 3 48.000
WEEK 4 55.000
WEEK 5 60.607
WEEK 6 21.000
WEEK 7 11.440
WEEK 8 9.215
WEEK 9 7.200
WEEK 10 6.773
WEEK 11 5.659
WEEK 12 5.987
