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Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
Yeah mines has changed for the worst, I'm just bored of them now and rather busy with other things in life.
I still like CD, and think this line up is a tight band... but if the grand master plan is to continue posing and posturing to past members work rather than get creative and innovative for themselves and take Guns N' Roses forward... then I will get off board and fuck off, as Mr Stinson once so eloquently put it.
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
can't say I disagree with that....Chinese is released and toured....time to turn the page. I am bored as well and am not really fond of this latest incarnation of the band. However, I don't feel the need to sit around bellyaching and assuming to know things I am clueless about.
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
everyone's "theories" are so played out and predictable. I could almost post word for word your comments BEFORE you post them...blah blah blah.
The case is settled and that is a GOOD thing for the Gnr brand-whether it be Axl's orchestra or a potential reunion down the road. The brand needs Azoff and Live Nation in their corner.
I absolutely agree that Azoff and Axl settling debts is a great thing for both parties. Not only does it open up future work with each other, but having Azoff in the corner of GN'R can only help GN'R if they're on good terms. Azoff loves making money. The only reason he pushed the reunion on Axl, was he knew the payday that would ensue, plus his job would be alot easier putting them over with American audiences.
I highly doubt Azoff has much influence outside of America.
madagas wrote:everyone's "theories" are so played out and predictable. I could almost post word for word your comments BEFORE you post them...blah blah blah.
The case is settled and that is a GOOD thing for the Gnr brand-whether it be Axl's orchestra or a potential reunion down the road. The brand needs Azoff and Live Nation in their corner.
haha! i couldn't agree more! you are 100% correct. it's really a shame what this board has turned into. i used to check it out alot because you could have honest discussions. and people would bring well-thought opinions.
now it's just a place to make up negative shit about axl and the band, and then discuss as if that shit is fact.
doesn't anyone in here get sick of posting the same shit over and over?
hopefully when things pick up for the band again, the vibe on this board will improve.
So when was all this negative shit made up and talked about? 'Cause I don't remember any of that.
I remember negative comments on actual interviews that were given, and plenty of people saying over and over and over the words 'guess', 'probably', 'my opinion', 'in theory', etc.
I don't ever remember anyone claiming fact.
I also remember us merging the GN'R Tour section with the GN'R main board to counter-balance that negative business talk (which was negative at the time, because the lawsuit just launched), and I remember all kinds of people in those threads talking about how amazing the band sounded and how great Axl sounded.
WOW, how negative.
Does anyone in here get sick of posting the same shit? I don't know, i'd ask MyGNR & HTGTH first.
Not to mention, this place practically beats off to Axl and the new Guns in comparison to GN'F'n'R's. That place fucking HATES the new band and ANYTHING Axl has done since 1993.
Being right never gets old. Granted it's pretty easy these days and I do miss the challenges of the old days when less people saw things for what they were. Too many people see the reality now for it to be as entertaining as it used to be.
Now you're just being a dick. Come on dude, no way that kind of attitude helps.
sandman wrote:madagas wrote:everyone's "theories" are so played out and predictable. I could almost post word for word your comments BEFORE you post them...blah blah blah.
The case is settled and that is a GOOD thing for the Gnr brand-whether it be Axl's orchestra or a potential reunion down the road. The brand needs Azoff and Live Nation in their corner.
haha! i couldn't agree more! you are 100% correct. it's really a shame what this board has turned into. i used to check it out alot because you could have honest discussions. and people would bring well-thought opinions.
now it's just a place to make up negative shit about axl and the band, and then discuss as if that shit is fact.
doesn't anyone in here get sick of posting the same shit over and over?
hopefully when things pick up for the band again, the vibe on this board will improve.
What negative shit is made up here and presented as fact?
He won't answer that, because it never, ever happened. We don't do that here. No one does.
I remember making up the 'blackmail' theory... and the irony was the whole 'theory' ended up being Axl's defense in Axl's countersuit against Azoff.
Russ,
"Yeah, Axl has never been a fan of touring"--how does he know that?
"I'm pretty sure Azoff would not have sued unless he knew he could win."--so he was privy to Azoff's line of thinking?
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Are you thick or something dude? You completely defeat your own point with your own post.
"I'm pretty sure"... that statement right there is Mikka's editorial statement to say 'this is opinion'. If he was privied to Azoff's thinking, he would've said "i'm absolutely sure that Azoff, yada yada"
Mikka covered his bases.
And as for Axl not touring, Axl DID SAY in a 1991/92 interview or so that he HATES touring. It's been years since I read it, but he was not a fan of it at all. He talked about how much he has to warm up, and ramp up and get his head right before walking out on a stage, and sometimes that takes 2-3 hours. Sometimes it doesn't happen at all.
Considering it's been a recurring point in Axl's 'lateness' excuses over the years, I would lean to it being fact, and not fiction.
madagas wrote:Russ,
"Yeah, Axl has never been a fan of touring"--how does he know that?
"I'm pretty sure Azoff would not have sued unless he knew he could win."--so he was privy to Azoff's line of thinking?
just to do two quick ones
So wait, people can't post their opinions or thoughts now?
Should everyone have to start every line of each post with "This is my opinion, not fact"?
They're already doing that. "Pretty sure", "in my opinion", "probably", "in theory"...
If no one knows what those words/phrases and their inflections mean, then their ignorance is their own problem, and it's certaintly not negative.
buzzsaw wrote:Ali wrote:Well, I'm just saying that I actually agree with you. And after 2002, I heard the same sounding-of-the-death-knell crap when it comes to GN'R and touring. Yet, low and behold, a major 2006 tour was undertaken.
Ali
Yes...4 years later. Hardly a ringing endorsement...and how did that tour end?
You're missing the point. I don't know if you were around on the boards then, but some faction of the fanbase and/or public (including RS with their story "GN'R in Crisis - Is this the end for Axl?") were convinced that Axl and GN'R would never tour again, that they were too much of a risk for any promoter. They were wrong.
The 2006 tour ended just fine with three shows in Universal City, CA.
Ali
You know, i've never understood over the years where everyone talked about how much of a disaster that 2006 NA tour was. I didn't get it. Sure alot of the venues were half-full, but I mean come on... the tour was overbooked honestly. You've got GN'R playing fucking rodeo arenas out in One Horse, West Virginia... AND the fact that only ONE Frisco date should've been out there. GN'R are still big enough (as of 2006) to do great with ONE date in a big city. There are big enough to still do well with that, or at least then.
I guess the fact that there were 2007 dates in January & February that were planned that got canned for Axl to "finish up the album", but it wasn't like a full-blown tour cancellation. Up to that point, the 2006 NA tour was a FAR BIGGER success story than the "true disaster" that was the 2002 tour, and why Clear Channel pulled the plug after the Philly riot.
I saw 2006 as a rebound of sorts for the American audience. But it was obvious that UYI-era interest, and even 2002-interest was indeed waining. But also keep in mind - they hadn't delivered an album yet then either. And when they did, they didn't push it.
So there's alot of variables involved there, where you can't just definitively say 2006 was a wash.
Bottom line - I agree with you.
sandman wrote:madagas wrote:everyone's "theories" are so played out and predictable. I could almost post word for word your comments BEFORE you post them...blah blah blah.
The case is settled and that is a GOOD thing for the Gnr brand-whether it be Axl's orchestra or a potential reunion down the road. The brand needs Azoff and Live Nation in their corner.
haha! i couldn't agree more! you are 100% correct. it's really a shame what this board has turned into. i used to check it out alot because you could have honest discussions. and people would bring well-thought opinions.
now it's just a place to make up negative shit about axl and the band, and then discuss as if that shit is fact.
doesn't anyone in here get sick of posting the same shit over and over?
hopefully when things pick up for the band again, the vibe on this board will improve.
what can i say ..... I gotta agree...its a rarity any more where i more than half skim the posts in this section
Bucket and Finck are gods...DJ is a whore, Ron is cool but he sucks @ guitar, axl ruined gnr, CD is unmarketable and a failure .... we need a reunion.... etc, etc *yawn*
I half skim too, but it's because I know everyone so well that I know where they are going. I enjoy it. At least we're talking. I don't do it out of boredom.
Nothing is really happening right now, and back when the 2010 tour was going on, most of the positive stuff was correlated to the live performances - which is how it should be. People also seemed to be satisfied by the setlists they were getting too.
The DJ is a media whore stuff comes from the fact that for years people had to deal with Axl denouncing Slash, because of his media whore-isms. Well DJ is the same exact thing. It's kind of like coming full circle.
All we need as fans is GN'R doing SOMEthing. Reunion, new album w/ new band.... let's go... but sitting around playing CD ten years later with sporadic tours - THAT is boring.
CD was a legendary failure. Perception is reality, and that is that.
People only cry for a reunion, because the new Guns don't work to put themselves over, and they don't shove new music out there.
If they were actively recording, releasing, touring, and doing promo... most would move on and totally forget about the old band.
I really believe that. People love Axl, and I just know if everyone got to know DJ, Ron, Tommy, & Frank among our lively personalities - they'd love them too.
just wait til they tour & the amount of shit they'll get for the setlist!
Every artist gets setlist complaints. What's boring and predictable is people bitching about people bitching about setlists.
Everyone wants their favorite song played, and when it's not - they get pissed.
The advent of YouTube and easy accessibility to live boots only deepened setlist complaints.
I know some people have the theory of "you're paying $100 bucks for a night out".
But some have the theory of "i'm paying $100 bucks for live music I WANT to hear".
People who attended 2002 & 2006 shows with virtually identical AFD-dominant setlists, might not jump at the chance to do it all over again in 2011. I don't see anything wrong with that complaint.
madagas wrote:everyone's "theories" are so played out and predictable. I could almost post word for word your comments BEFORE you post them...blah blah blah.
I think you've made the same post a hundred times. At least. Is it boring? Yes, it is, but you keep doing this again and again. Cause it's your opinion, just like the 'Tommy Eugene Stinson is God' mantra. Other people voice their opinion, too. If it turned into a boring circle, then blame GN'R. Nothing has changed (for good) with the band, so how could you have a different opinion. I think on this board only Russ', faldor's and Olorin's opinion changed about the band - for worse.
Great post, and I also personally agree that the 'complaint' posts are more boring and predictable than the actual discussion posts.
I think that Axl has fucked up so much that there are some guys, like yourself, that he has to work harder to win back.
Alot of people would say that's your problem... no imo... I think it's Axl's problem.
If he doesn't want that perception, then he should be actively out there trying to put himself over, and THEN telling guys like Mikka to fuck off.
But he doesn't do that, he just sits and ignores you and all that does is make it worse.
However, in Axl's defense, if he did all that - then he'd be called childish.
I thought his Madison-rant was FANTASTIC, and LONG overdue... yet as soon as he did it, he had an element who slammed him for being childish and saying he should've just ignored her.
Yet when he ignored her, geeks ran all over MyGNR saying how Axl should step in and put her in her place.
He can't win.
Yeah mines has changed for the worst, I'm just bored of them now and rather busy with other things in life.
I still like CD, and think this line up is a tight band... but if the grand master plan is to continue posing and posturing to past members work rather than get creative and innovative for themselves and take Guns N' Roses forward... then I will get off board and fuck off, as Mr Stinson once so eloquently put it.
I absolutely agree. If they have no future plans for a new album or a reunion, then i'm gonna bail too (at least on GN'R affairs), because there's nothing to fucking do.
I have no interest in hearing a cover band of a cover band. I just don't. Sorry.
But even though people call it boring, radio-pop cock rock... I enjoyed Sixx:AM's new album, and despite DJ's car salesmen personality, I think the guy is mega-talented.
DJ actually renewed my interest in hearing a new GN'R sound, after years of Robin Finck-only and a departed Bucket.
As much as Ron is cool, he's yet to blow me away. It's just not there yet. At least DJ has done something for me to tip my hat in his direction.
These guys HAVE to put themselves over with something new. Otherwise, why do any of us care?
If i'm gonna just hear Jungle for the 100th time live or something, then i'll just listen to Argentina '92 or something. I don't need to hear ANOTHER new guy's take on the song.
can't say I disagree with that....Chinese is released and toured....time to turn the page. I am bored as well and am not really fond of this latest incarnation of the band. However, I don't feel the need to sit around bellyaching and assuming to know things I am clueless about.
Huh?
So you agree with the boring, cliched opinion, yet you complain about it being stated.
No offense dude, but wtf are you talking about? 
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
sandman wrote:madagas wrote:everyone's "theories" are so played out and predictable. I could almost post word for word your comments BEFORE you post them...blah blah blah.
The case is settled and that is a GOOD thing for the Gnr brand-whether it be Axl's orchestra or a potential reunion down the road. The brand needs Azoff and Live Nation in their corner.
haha! i couldn't agree more! you are 100% correct. it's really a shame what this board has turned into. i used to check it out alot because you could have honest discussions. and people would bring well-thought opinions.
now it's just a place to make up negative shit about axl and the band, and then discuss as if that shit is fact.
doesn't anyone in here get sick of posting the same shit over and over?
hopefully when things pick up for the band again, the vibe on this board will improve.
what can i say ..... I gotta agree...its a rarity any more where i more than half skim the posts in this section
Bucket and Finck are gods...DJ is a whore, Ron is cool but he sucks @ guitar, axl ruined gnr, CD is unmarketable and a failure .... we need a reunion.... etc, etc *yawn*
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Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
Half the time, I just post to see if anyone will post back. I like it here and I like talking about the band. I don't care if people love or hate the whole thing with GNR past present or future. I don't mind people thinking my opinion is rot. I just like that people here appear to be fully formed human beings who can string a sentence together on many topics.
Slamming people for trying to keep the board alive in a time of no news and low interest is just as negative as the naysayers you called out.
Just jog on and ignore until things pick up.
Re: Azoff-Axl Lawsuit Settled: Includes "comprehensive touring agreement"
neemo is a fair-minded dude, and he agrees with me so i think we have at least somewhat of a valid point.
i haven't checked this board in weeks (maybe months). i heard about the settlement and touring agreement, combined with the SA shows being announced. so i'm kinda pumped (all pretty good news), i come here to check out the discussion with fellow GnR fans, and i see the same ridiculous shit being posted that's been posted here for years. it made me laugh, but it was a let-down at the same time. i saw someone else state exactly how i was feeling and i agreed. just stating my opinion regarding how much this board blows.
