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Re: Unofficial CD 'reunion' T-shirt.
Neemo wrote:war wrote:but slash wanted to do the same music and axl wanted to experiment and slash said so himself.
IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT
tell that to axl.
and, you can't recreate afd once, much less over a band's entire career.
he didnt have to recreate AFD...the progression from AFD to Lies to UYI was fine...each is great in their own way...why not just keep on truckin? i'd tell him if i could...its a little late though...done is done
Its a pity because I totally get what Axl was trying to do....evolve.
the thing about evolving is that you cant make it happen...its not a conscious effort ... it just has to happen on its own...changing for the sake of change isnt evolution.. IMO anyway
Re: Unofficial CD 'reunion' T-shirt.
i would say the difference between afd and uy's is as great as the difference between cd and uy's.
gnr was at it's most popular point when uy's came out yet afd continues to destroy uy's in sales.
so if axl's desire to experiment with new avenues of music with cd resulted in anything being "broke"n. then it was already "broke"n when they were doing the same with uy's (when slash was in favor of the direction).
Re: Unofficial CD 'reunion' T-shirt.
I'm not "dissing" CD at all, the comment that i said if it aint broke was directed at someone that said that Slash wasnt willing to follow trends and change their sound to suit said trends
my comment was basically saying that things were going great for gnr on a popularity level (albiet not very good for the guys in the band on personal levels) so why would they try to pretend to be something that they weren't when they already had the world by the balls...as the band grew as song writers and musicians they would have presumably changed n their own without forcing themselves to be a grunge band or an industrial rock band...and why would you waste the talent of a guitarist of Slash's calibur by playing tunes with heavy distortion and power chords with no solo's
like i said "if it aint fucking broke then dont fucking change it" i realize that there where some extrenuous circumstances outside of the quality of music and musical direction as well...personal differences, deciding who was in the band (ie Clarke vs. Tobias vs. Wylde). etc. etc etc etc et-fucking-cetera. but i would say that i'd side with slash on the following trends side of things...just my personal opinion on the matter 
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Re: Unofficial CD 'reunion' T-shirt.
If you look at it Axl not only broke 'it' but he smashed it, took ten years to fix it only for it to eventually sound kinda like a muddled version of the old band anyway.
Nothing that Axl put into CD is so 'out there' that guys like Slash & Duff couldn't have gotten their heads around it. Nothing on CD was worth the hassle that all parties have gone through with each other and with their respective careers to see get it out there.
There were no 'ahh Haa' moments when listening to CD that you saw the light and thought 'I was angry that Axl wanted the others out of the band but now I TOTALLY SEE WHY!!'
When Slash said he didn't want to work that hard on the music I think what he meant was that he didn't want to do it Axl's torturously slow, overthought and bloody minded way. He was RIGHT!
Fifteen years for a good album whose quality didn't vindicate the process used to created it.
Re: Unofficial CD 'reunion' T-shirt.
no axl, no amazing ballads like estranged and november rain.
he forced the band to push its limits.
slash drew the line when the ballads turned into techno shit so he says. i personally, do not think that the opposing musical direction had anything to do with the band breaking up but they weren't going anywhere musically because of it.
cd is a mess for reasons other than axl wanting to explore musically.
i think we can all agree on that.
it's too bad because cd has some genius work underneath all the bs and had the band taken an extended break rather than imploding they could've helped axl uncover it.
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Those songs on CD were nothing the old guys would have brought in. The new guys and Paul Tobias wrote them. Those guys would have never made that music. When I listen to it I don't hear anything similar to the old guys. Not even a muddled version. These were the songs Axl obviously wanted to make. 
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I see no genius ideas on CD. Just some good ideas killed with glitter or 80s keyboards or amateur cut-and-pass job, and a lot of throw-away songs that Axl tried to turn into something desperately, but failed. I think CD is the worst album in history in terms of the quality of the album and the time it needed.
