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Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
RE: BBF.
Your reaction to the MyGNR thread was equally out of line as many of the posts he referred to. The difference? In the grand scheme of things, nobody gives a toss about some sorry wanker at a message board, saying one thing or the other about a band. But when a band member gets into that, it's a different story. Sorry, Bumbs, you represent the band in this context and therefore, you're much more on the inside as the rest of us. Sinking down to the level of anonymous idiots is a bad thing, as your words carry a heck of a lot of weight in these circles. Responding to idiocy with idiocy is a sour solution.
It's equally damning for Axl to have given Madison her fifteen minutes of shame. I'm not going to go into whether or not she deserved to be told off, but one needs to realize there are more far-reaching repercussions here than what meets the eye. Axl's behavior made headlines across the 'net and strengthened the public image that Axl's being a twat again, raging at the fans. When you're a public figure, you need to keep your distance to the heat of the moment, and if you really, really need to respond, you do it in a way that is calm, mature and leaves no room for questioning.
Going off the handle only enforces the speculation that there's deep shit going on behind the scenes. Is that the impression you wish to give, Ron? If so, you did great. I appreciate the numerous good things you've done to and on behalf of GNR, and it has certainly been more fan-friendly in a more general level since you came along. You also do a lot of good things on the side, on your own, and your heart is obviously in the right place. Which is why it saddens me to see such a kind person stuck in a negative and stressful situation.
You have my sympathies, but you need to look in the mirror on this one. Some of those MyGNR posters were probably out of line, but two wrongs don't make a right. You're the one that counts as far as I'm concerned, as I don't listen to music by them or go to a show to see them. If being in the band and dealing with the bad stuff that comes with it is beginning to limit you and your own best interests in life, I suggest you start thinking about alternatives.
This is not to say I want to see you go because of your comments, or for any other reason. Quite frankly, I think your departure would be a great blow for both the band and the fanbase. But if it's slowly turning you into a person that responds to petty and inappropriate commentary in equal amounts, I'd rather see you going back to doing the things that do give you happiness.
Cause there's nothing quite as sad as seeing a big man grow small.
Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
I have to disagree that it's the band turning Ron into this bad person. From what I can tell, he has both a nice side (directed at those who support him and the band) and a rather nasty side (directed at those who do not fully support them). Last year he blocked someone on twitter simply for having GNRReunion in their name. Even though they were telling him how much they liked him. He's blocked a number of people for similar reason and even gone off a few. The other band members don't do this.
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Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
Exactly.
I mean in an ideal world maybe people can insult you, threaten you, disrespect your life's work, jepodise your job, terrorize your family, potentially mess with your friendships and lie aout you, and you will always graciously not stoop to their level.
But the guy is a human being.
Bottom line is over the years along with the great side of fame, he's had to endure a lot of bullshit as well, and maybe this time he showed he isn't an emotionless playing machine.
I back him 100%, maybe he shouldn't have said those things, but that he was pushed hard enough to trigger that responce in a guy like him is disgusting in itself. Two wrongs may not make a right, but the guy is a musican, and beard aside, he shouldn't be expected to behave like jesus. He was abused one too many times and he let his feelings be known about it. Fair enough in my book.
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"YEAH, that's why these guys work real hard at....at being in a band that they can get ABUSED for"
Quite rich coming from Axl.
Everybody gets the abuse. Rob Trujillo has detractors in the Tallica community, as there are people who can only accept Newsted. Yet the Tallica organization has a healthier relationship to the fans en masse, which keeps the bad apples at bay and prevents the poison from spreading.
Both times Axl did an interview in 2009, the talks veered into Slash and how Slash was this and Slash was that. Slash works hard to have a career in music so he can be labeled cancer in public by his erstwhile bandmate. Pot calling the kettle black there.
GNR today is one man before it is a band. If that one man would take the reins and win the majority of the fans over, there would be no MSL promising insights. I'm not talking reunion, releasing multiple albums next Tuesday, or even touring.
But the flock could use a bit of adult leadership. Unfortunately, our captain's busy being reactionary.
Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
tejastech08 wrote:And how exactly do you know this information?
And that's thing thing. We don't know how much is true of what this "nugget" person is claiming.
At this point I'd look at it as opinion or at the very least a rumor they're hoping to spread.
Yeah "Nugget" if you are going to go around the forums that let you post and drop a grenade in there like that (I saw you posted the same thing at cd.com too), you could at least hang around to discuss it or substantiate your accusations.
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I do think there there would be no opportunity for something like it to happen if GN'R functioned like a "normal band"
I disagree. In fact I think there'd be more interest in it publicly if GNR functioned like a normal band, as long as Axl was still interesting as a character.
If I were to hack into Kanye West's emails right now and I found a few rants, I bet people would want to see it. Same with Lady Gaga, Britney Spears or anyone as long as it contained interesting material.
I bet if MSL had done this to Slash, GNR fans would want to get a look at it too.
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I've said comments similar to this recently but I want to clarify something; I don't think any member of GN'R "deserve" things like this MSL situation and the havoc it's caused. I do think there there would be no opportunity for something like it to happen if GN'R functioned like a "normal band" but they don't. And in any case, I certainly don't think any one deserves to have their personal business invaded no matter how the organization they're associated with is run.
We can certainly agree on the band members not deserving all that what is being thrown in their direction, by the MSL circus or otherwise.
But that goes on to show how strained a relationship Axl himself has with his fanbase. Is it just me or does he only pick up the bad things said on the boards and tweet back in retaliation? It's a hate-hate relationship, when everybody gets the bad stuff from him and he only picks up things that rile him up.
Axl has the undisputed right to the b(r)and name, doesn't owe anything to the fans, etc. That's all good. But all things would be better if he would live up to his end of the bargain, which means accepting the fact that some people will always have a problem with him being the sole surviving original member.
Badmouthing Slash and random people on the internet isn't the way forward, neither is subjugating the biggest fan-ran message boards to only display your view of the world. Coming on to those boards and communicating directly with those who care is, and it remains a great example of how Axl can reach out and make the lot of us happy to be fans of (t)his band.
The online communities may come across as bitchy and petty when it comes to the band, and that's understandable. But one should never encourage anyone to behave like an asshole, as then that person is bound to behave like an asshole again in the future.
And frankly, I think we have enough bad behavior on both sides of the fence without the bearded one joining in.
