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- killingvector
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Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
russtcb wrote:I've said comments similar to this recently but I want to clarify something; I don't think any member of GN'R "deserve" things like this MSL situation and the havoc it's caused. I do think there there would be no opportunity for something like it to happen if GN'R functioned like a "normal band" but they don't. And in any case, I certainly don't think any one deserves to have their personal business invaded no matter how the organization they're associated with is run.
We can certainly agree on the band members not deserving all that what is being thrown in their direction, by the MSL circus or otherwise.
But that goes on to show how strained a relationship Axl himself has with his fanbase. Is it just me or does he only pick up the bad things said on the boards and tweet back in retaliation? It's a hate-hate relationship, when everybody gets the bad stuff from him and he only picks up things that rile him up.
Axl has the undisputed right to the b(r)and name, doesn't owe anything to the fans, etc. That's all good. But all things would be better if he would live up to his end of the bargain, which means accepting the fact that some people will always have a problem with him being the sole surviving original member.
Badmouthing Slash and random people on the internet isn't the way forward, neither is subjugating the biggest fan-ran message boards to only display your view of the world. Coming on to those boards and communicating directly with those who care is, and it remains a great example of how Axl can reach out and make the lot of us happy to be fans of (t)his band.
The online communities may come across as bitchy and petty when it comes to the band, and that's understandable. But one should never encourage anyone to behave like an asshole, as then that person is bound to behave like an asshole again in the future.
And frankly, I think we have enough bad behavior on both sides of the fence without the bearded one joining in.
I felt exactly this way for a long time, going back to the days when Beta would pop on Jarmos to attack some idle fan who dared criticize the band for all the delays, blackouts, and near-death experiences. There was plenty of support and open arms out there to latch onto, but it was largely ignored to, I can only surmise, funnel energy against the hatred.
This philosophy befuddles me on nearly every level. It is not surprising that Bumble would fall into the same trap and use a corrupted forum to unleash more venom and negativity into a seering pot of sewage. Not only was his behavior unprofessional, but it also makes me wonder just how healthy the band is.
The fact that the Bumble thread was locked down and deleted seems completely understandable at this point.
Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
Bah, Ron attacked some of the most miserable and twisted fuckers to ever grace the forums, so what. Everyone vents now and then, it does you good to get it out. These are not policticians with silver tongues, they're just average joes in a band who will give as good as they get.
I can understand some folk would find Rons comments distasteful, thats fair enough. Not me however, I have more respect for him for biting back at some of these miserable fucks who sneer and take potshots daily at everyone around them for their own perverse pleasure.
It too simple and to say , oh he was unprofessional blah blah... hindsight is a wonderful thing.
One rant in the heat of the moment every 5 years or so wont do his reputation any harm, the guys in the band must have the patience of saints if they spend any time reading the boards reguarly, cause I'm reactionary and I'd be spitting bullets every other day.
- monkeychow
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Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
neither is subjugating the biggest fan-ran message boards to only display your view of the world.
I've sometimes wondered why they do that, like what the benfit to the band is. Obviously the admins do it to keep favour with the band, but why does the band - made of famous people - care about the insignificant opinions of randoms enough to actually get posts removed and so on.
I wondered if maybe it could be that Axl is susceptible to depression or anger or something, and that maybe he reads what people say about the band and it actually upsets him and acts as a demotivator or distracts him from the work of running the band/songwiting etc.
I have no basis to say that of course, pure specualtion, but I know if I was famous I'd need a lot thicker skin than I actually have, I can imagine getting upset with half the level of critisism these guys have taken at times. So it's just a guess, but it would explain why they shut down such talk.
I mean i get why they'd want to shut the MSL stuff down, it's fucking with the band, but i'm wondering more the motivation behind the daily general censorship at HTGTH etc
Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
apex-twin wrote:neither is subjugating the biggest fan-ran message boards to only display your view of the world.
I've sometimes wondered why they do that, like what the benfit to the band is. Obviously the admins do it to keep favour with the band, but why does the band - made of famous people - care about the insignificant opinions of randoms enough to actually get posts removed and so on.
I wondered if maybe it could be that Axl is susceptible to depression or anger or something, and that maybe he reads what people say about the band and it actually upsets him and acts as a demotivator or distracts him from the work of running the band/songwiting etc.
I have no basis to say that of course, pure specualtion, but I know if I was famous I'd need a lot thicker skin than I actually have, I can imagine getting upset with half the level of critisism these guys have taken at times. So it's just a guess, but it would explain why they shut down such talk.
I mean i get why they'd want to shut the MSL stuff down, it's fucking with the band, but i'm wondering more the motivation behind the daily general censorship at HTGTH etc
Some are obsessed with positivity when they're in the public eye. Negativity doesn't sell records. They need an income. Thru my experience with this stuff, they are crazy about negativity and would cut all ties to any "fan" who dares to speak against their products and creations. This is not, contrary to popular belief, something GNR-ish. I've been there, done that, spoken critical about stuff, praised by some, hated by others and everyone wants anyone with online power on their side. Jarmo is a piece of a puzzle. He gets interaction and friends in high places in trade of his loyalty. You gotta be pretty hard on yourself to say not to that, that's why I like this board, regardless if they were offered anything or not.
It's not that hard to understand the reasons behind their agenda on HTGTH, I just don't believe in any of them.
- killingvector
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Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
Bah, Ron attacked some of the most miserable and twisted fuckers to ever grace the forums, so what. Everyone vents now and then, it does you good to get it out. These are not policticians with silver tongues, they're just average joes in a band who will give as good as they get.
I can understand some folk would find Rons comments distasteful, thats fair enough. Not me however, I have more respect for him for biting back at some of these miserable fucks who sneer and take potshots daily at everyone around them for their own perverse pleasure.
It too simple and to say , oh he was unprofessional blah blah... hindsight is a wonderful thing.
One rant in the heat of the moment every 5 years or so wont do his reputation any harm, the guys in the band must have the patience of saints if they spend any time reading the boards reguarly, cause I'm reactionary and I'd be spitting bullets every other day.
It's beneath him and the band.
Why he chose MyGnR to defend himself is a mystery. But within what was a general good discussion were pockets full of vileness. Of course, it reflects poorly on the random anonymous MyGnR troll, but no one stands to judge some fool hidden behind a computer and a few thousand miles of fiber optics. BBF lacks that anonymity and, therefore, his words stay with him.
My question is, why bother? He only drags himself down in the gutter with that trash. By addressing them, the trolls only become empowered.
Re: Someone Is In Big Trouble
he was probably getting slammed with messages on facebook and twitter about it and he probably had enough. I doubt he was cruising mygnr one night and snapped. I think it was building up from outside the forums.
And he chose mygnr because that's where the douchebags are and he was there specifically to rip some people. HTGTH doesn't let anyone talk about anything and, well... We're not exactly the forum Ron would have a problem with. I don't think there's anyone here he'd have to tell to slob his knob or make him some pancakes 
