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- mickronson
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Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
my personal problem is, apart from Axl who cant do PR shit to save his life, these noobs get to wear the gnr tag and pimp it out like they deserve it? sorry if you are one of those who believe just being in a band (like a football team) is enough to be given the dogtags and respect for what everyone else has done before you, I dont see it that way...and DJ is just the straw that broke my back... I see this band as more glam now he is in it.
Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
You can feel that way, but can you blame DJ, Ron, or any of the other guys for using the GNR name and their place in the band to their advantage? I don't think you can. They ARE entitled. Do they have the credits that Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Steven do? Obviously not. But they are in Guns N' Roses, whether you want to accept it or not. Therefore, they're free to promote themselves behind that banner.
I don't have a problem with any of it, it's just some things I rank above others. Slash playing with Fergie is fine with me. Slash appearing on American Idol. Not so much. I'm not a huge AMA Supercross fan either. So while I thought it was cool that DJ played the National Anthem before the Kansas City Chiefs game a few months back, I just view this as huge step down from that. Whatever though, he's free to do what he wants, as is Slash, or anyone else for that matter.
Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
More glam? really? 
Glam Rock
Glam emphasized outrageously flamboyant fashions: platform shoes, glittery costumes, garish make-up plastered on the face's of its primarily male performers.
Bowie was the most important trendsetter, and his image was at least as important to many fans as the music itself. Bowie, however, maintained a certain distance from his glamorous image. Even then it seemed to be just a phase he was going through, a costume he would soon drop as soon as something more provocative struck him. 
glam
A movement that which erupted in the 1970s promoting vanity, copiousness, surreality, narcissism, campness and hauteur. A spin-off of the word 'glamourous.'
"Glam is about femme girls and femme boys and girls who look like femme boys and boys who like like butch girls."
Glam individuals usually dress in outrageous fashion: jumpsuits, 3-inch platform space boots and heavy amounts of makeup.
David Bowie was best known for his involvement in the Glam Movement of the 1970s.
Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
You can feel that way, but can you blame DJ, Ron, or any of the other guys for using the GNR name and their place in the band to their advantage? I don't think you can.
The reason people have issues with this is Axl accused Bucket of taking advantage of the GNR name when he wasn't doing anything of the sort while everyone who has joined since has used it at every opportunity.
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Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
@jamester062001, that was then, this is now.
Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
faldor wrote:You can feel that way, but can you blame DJ, Ron, or any of the other guys for using the GNR name and their place in the band to their advantage? I don't think you can.
The reason people have issues with this is Axl accused Bucket of taking advantage of the GNR name when he wasn't doing anything of the sort while everyone who has joined since has used it at every opportunity.
No doubt. If anything, he's erased his association with GNR. The accusation always angered me. Bucket doesn't need GNR to get a record deal. Bucket doesn't even want a record deal.
Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
James Lofton wrote:faldor wrote:You can feel that way, but can you blame DJ, Ron, or any of the other guys for using the GNR name and their place in the band to their advantage? I don't think you can.
The reason people have issues with this is Axl accused Bucket of taking advantage of the GNR name when he wasn't doing anything of the sort while everyone who has joined since has used it at every opportunity.
No doubt. If anything, he's erased his association with GNR. The accusation always angered me. Bucket doesn't need GNR to get a record deal. Bucket doesn't even want a record deal.
In fairness to Axl, and I'm sure I'll get flamed for being an "Axlite" for this. But it's possible he has changed his point of view on the matter over the years. I mean, maybe he DID take offense to Bucket "using GNR" to promote himself. But maybe nowadays he realizes that a) it's their god given right to do so, and b) it really doesn't make a difference if he agrees with it or not. Maybe he learned from his mistake with Bucket. Just a thought.
Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
You can feel that way, but can you blame DJ, Ron, or any of the other guys for using the GNR name and their place in the band to their advantage? I don't think you can. They ARE entitled.
How are they entitled? DJ, Ron, Richard, & Frank didn't write anything as members of Guns N' Roses. They haven't contributed anything to the catalog in terms of material. The last three simply "covered" other people's already recorded and written material, and suddenly they're entitled as members of GN'R?
No. All of them, and especially DJ, are nothing but members of Axl Rose's solo band for now. Believe me, as soon as they cut an album and write some stuff for the band GN'R - they're totally members and entitled in my eyes.
This is the reason I thought "One Man Mutiny" was a GN'R song (despite getting flamed for it), because of the contributions of Tommy & Dizzy - both true members of Guns N' Roses.
Do they have the credits that Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Steven do? Obviously not. But they are in Guns N' Roses, whether you want to accept it or not. Therefore, they're free to promote themselves behind that banner.
Steven doesn't have credits, even if he has a share.
For now they are session/touring musicians. Unlike Axl, Tommy, Dizzy & Chris who are full-bore members of GN'R imo. Promoting themselves as nothing more than "associates" (to borrow a term from Axl) is their accurate description.
I don't have a problem with any of it, it's just some things I rank above others. Slash playing with Fergie is fine with me. Slash appearing on American Idol. Not so much. I'm not a huge AMA Supercross fan either. So while I thought it was cool that DJ played the National Anthem before the Kansas City Chiefs game a few months back, I just view this as huge step down from that. Whatever though, he's free to do what he wants, as is Slash, or anyone else for that matter.
Why is Fergie any different? Sure, Beautiful Dangerous is a great tune, but Fergie's association with the godawful Black Eyed Peas kills her own credibility. But Slash has done worse.
American Idol was the low-point of his career. It's even worse for Steven Tyler who up'ed for a whole season, if not more. Ugh.
faldor wrote:You can feel that way, but can you blame DJ, Ron, or any of the other guys for using the GNR name and their place in the band to their advantage? I don't think you can.
The reason people have issues with this is Axl accused Bucket of taking advantage of the GNR name when he wasn't doing anything of the sort while everyone who has joined since has used it at every opportunity.
Absolutely.
James Lofton wrote:faldor wrote:You can feel that way, but can you blame DJ, Ron, or any of the other guys for using the GNR name and their place in the band to their advantage? I don't think you can.
The reason people have issues with this is Axl accused Bucket of taking advantage of the GNR name when he wasn't doing anything of the sort while everyone who has joined since has used it at every opportunity.
No doubt. If anything, he's erased his association with GNR. The accusation always angered me. Bucket doesn't need GNR to get a record deal. Bucket doesn't even want a record deal.
That was definitely one of the lowest things I ever seen/heard Axl say. It was obviously hurt feelings over Bucket's "in n' out" association with GN'R, and came across as childish on Axl's part.
If the guy decided to walk - then just say it. But don't make shit up to discredit a guy, who has mountains of credibility more than Axl ever will artistically.
It was one of those obvious moments where Axl created a TOTAL LIE. It came across that way as soon as he posted it, and remains so to this day.
It really killed alot of his credibility for me as a fan at the nanosecond of that happening. For YEARS, I thought Axl was the truth teller in the whole thing and just misunderstood. I knew after that Bucket comment that he was a manipulative liar just like he was accused of by just about every former band member/associate that he ever has dealt with since.
bigbri wrote:James Lofton wrote:The reason people have issues with this is Axl accused Bucket of taking advantage of the GNR name when he wasn't doing anything of the sort while everyone who has joined since has used it at every opportunity.
No doubt. If anything, he's erased his association with GNR. The accusation always angered me. Bucket doesn't need GNR to get a record deal. Bucket doesn't even want a record deal.
In fairness to Axl, and I'm sure I'll get flamed for being an "Axlite" for this. But it's possible he has changed his point of view on the matter over the years. I mean, maybe he DID take offense to Bucket "using GNR" to promote himself. But maybe nowadays he realizes that a) it's their god given right to do so, and b) it really doesn't make a difference if he agrees with it or not. Maybe he learned from his mistake with Bucket. Just a thought.
The problem with that theory faldor is Bucket NEVER EVER used GN'R to promote himself. EVER. It was a total lie.
Not only does Bucket not need a big label deal, he doesn't want one, and continues to conduct himself in the same manner today as he did before his tenure with GN'R.
It was obvious Axl took offense by Bucket's "take or leave" attitude towards GN'R, and instead of just admitting he felt hurt about it, he felt the need to make something up about Bucket to discredit Bucket.
It just made him look like an even bigger douche.
Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
but he did use the gnr name to futher his own career...obviously it got him recognition, his association w./ gnr increased people's awareness of him...tbh i wouldnt have teh slightest clue who he was if not for gnr
Re: Dj Ashba to Electrify Our Nation’s Call to Arms January 8, 2011-AMA Su
but he did use the gnr name to futher his own career...obviously it got him recognition, his association w./ gnr increased people's awareness of him...tbh i wouldnt have teh slightest clue who he was if not for gnr
This is about Bucket right?
I'm a big fan now, but without GNR I wouldn't know him at all.
So I agree.
