I gotta agree with you on that. After listening to all of the moggs, you can tell that much of the guitar playing is shit. Sorry has some pretty solid guitar...But nothing else really. When you take off just one layer by one layer you realize how sloppily this album was made.

Almost like someone was like "ok, cut that part...now paste this part". Catcher in the rye is a big case in point.

Well, I know that all of us "hardcore" gnr fans have probably listened alot more carefully to chinese democracy than a common person listening to it. Alot of the guys I worked with arent hardcore fans, but kept telling me "it says that bach does backing vocals on here, but I dont hear him at all"...I couldnt believe them because I had listened to the album over 100 times and I hear it clear as day.

But an average guy who just pops it in his cd player in his car wont hear bach.

I cant lie, I have downloaded every leak that has happened, but I have also bought every album. The thing that drives to download every leak (besides wanting to hear new gnr) is that you never know when new material will (if ever) be released. And with how the gnr music scene goes...you had better get it while its out there because once its gone its gone.

And it always seems like when something gets leaked the person who leaks the songs first tries to leak them on the mygnrs,htgth..etc type of forums, which are quickly deleted then those forums send out their watch dogs to delete any links that may go up. I just shake my head...why not just put up the songs on a bittorrent..that way everyone has a chance to get the songs.

Lets says person A gets a song...Now instead of just leaking the music and being done with it....9 times outta 10 it gets drawn out into this big "Well I have these songs,but im scared to release them because blah blah blah....

So I need someones help with leaking them"

But then either they get so much heat on their asses that they give in to the gnr camp, or their promise of a leak is followed with cricket noises ...

Like I said earlier I know that a finished cd on the back shelf in best buy is alot different than a song on axl laptop, but damn I mean if I had a gnr song Id just leak it and watch the response from people and not say a word.

But so many others wanna get fame from leaking a song that it ends up fucking them and/or the fans too.

Yep exactly...I just think that we as fans get so happy about the possibility of getting a leaked song, we never wonder why it just isnt uploaded to yousendit or rapidshare, and someone says "hey look what I found"...

Instead its a big long drawn out process that 9 times outta 10 ends up being a lost cause.