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#1 Guns N' Roses » The Right Way to End a Great Band » 788 weeks ago
- gnrfan1987-present
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Axl should take a lesson from the Gallagher brothers...
Liam Gallagher Declares Oasis Are Officially “No Longer” 10/9/09,
When Noel Gallagher revealed in August that he was leaving Oasis, fans hoped that the Gallagher brothers would reconcile (yet again) and the band would reconnect. However, two months have passed since the contentious siblings reportedly clashed backstage, and this time it’s Liam Gallagher who is proclaiming that Oasis are officially finished in a new interview with the Times U.K.. “Oasis is no longer. I think we all know that. So that’s done,” Liam said. “Without a doubt. And it’s a shame but that’s life. We had a good run at it.”
Full article:
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/i … no-longer/
I personally feared that Liam Gallagher would try to to continue Oasis without his brother Noel, the band's principal songwriter and background singer. Thankfully Liam has more sense than that. He could continue alone as Oasis and make a ton of money Im sure. But he's taking a risk and going solo. He's basically going to have to start over his musical career but he's knows it would be a shit move to continue Oasis without his brother.
Axl should have done the same thing back in 1996 when Slash left Guns n Roses. Rather than try to continue the band without any of its original members Axl should have said "all great things come to an end" and "that's life" and announced he was planning his own solo album called "Chinese Democracy."
Instead Axl went a different direction. And even though he's made (and will continue to make) a lot of money off using the GnR name you still have to wonder if his decision was the right one. Sure it would have been scary for him to have to start over as a solo artist in 1996 after fronting one of the biggest rock bands in the world, but it would have been a hell of a lot easier than trying to be "Guns n Roses" all by himself.
My hat's off to Oasis for doing the right thing. In this era of the "replacement member" it's nice to see a band more worried about their musical legacy than making an easy buck.
#2 Guns N' Roses » What's your favorite guitar solo on the album? » 833 weeks ago
- gnrfan1987-present
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GUITAR SOLOS ON ALBUM
CHINESE DEMOCRACY: Robin Finck & Buckethead
SHACKLER’S REVENGE: Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal
BETTER: Buckethead & Robin Finck
STREET OF DREAMS: Robin Finck & Buckethead
IF THE WORLD: Buckethead
THERE WAS A TIME: Robin Finck & Buckethead
CATCHER IN THE RYE: Bumblefoot & Robin Finck
SCRAPED: Bumblefoot & Buckethead
RIAD N THE BEDOUINS: Bumblefoot & Buckethead
SORRY: Buckethead
I.R.S.: Robin Finck & Buckethead
MADAGASCAR: Buckethead
THIS I LOVE: Robin Finck
PROSTITUTE: Buckethead
#3 Guns N' Roses » Why CD was finally released now (article) » 833 weeks ago
- gnrfan1987-present
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Hope this hasn't been posted already... Interesting theory on why CD is finally out...
From: http://idolator.com/5094589/what-really … ng-release
One of the strangest narratives surrounding Sunday’s release of Chinese Democracy is that the music itself is something of a non-event, thanks to the circulation of live nu-GNR bootlegs and leaks of in-progress tracks. In fact, enough questions have been answered about how Chinese Democracy sounds that a bigger question looms: Why now? Why, out of all the dates on the calendar, would Axl Rose decide that November 2008 felt like a good time to drop an album?
Only Axl knows for sure. But part of the answer may lie in the idea that Chinese Democracy had, thanks to its many delays, transformed from an album-slash-punchline into a vehicle for Axl to resolve festering disputes and debts tied to his six-year stint as a client of the Sanctuary Group. Sanctuary, an ambitious British artist management firm, spent years-–and a small fortune—trying to branch into various segments of the music business. As financial disaster loomed last year, Sanctuary sold itself to Universal Music Group—which, you may remember, is the same company that puts out Guns N’ Roses’ music.
Axl effectively fired Sanctuary as his management firm in December 2006, after months of speculation and public comments from the company’s top manager, Merck Mercuriadis, trumpeting the imminent release of Chinese Democracy. Rose, in an open letter posted on the band’s Web site, cited “an overall sense of a lack of respect by management for the band and crew and each individual's particular expertise” as part of the reasons behind Mercuriadis’ firing. (He also claimed that the album would come out March 6, 2007. The best intentions…)
But Axl couldn’t completely kick Sanctuary to the curb—during his time as a client, he struck deals with Sanctuary subsidiaries and affiliates that resulted in them overseeing his music-publishing rights and the production of Guns N’ Roses merchandise. And since at least early 2004 (when Universal’s Geffen Records made clear it wouldn’t underwrite additional production costs for Chinese Democracy) Sanctuary had functioned as Rose’s bank as well, deferring or delaying some commissions for managing him and offering other financial support. According to sources familiar with the situation, Axl’s tab reached well into the seven-figure mark.
By the time Axl announced his firing of Mercuriadis, not only had he piled up a debt to the management company, he had been dragged into a series of disputes—public and private—tied to the publishing and merch deals. In 2005, ex-bandmates Slash and Duff filed a lawsuit alleging that he had switched publishers without their approval and pocketed the royalties, and there was a separate feud brewing where they raised similar charges about his dealings with Sanctuary’s merchandise unit, Bravado.
But two crucial events changed the course of Rose’s career: Sanctuary’s buyout; and Rose finding his way to the management fold of music heavyweight Irving Azoff and longtime hard-rock mastermind Andy Gould. Universal was in a position to sweep away all of Rose’s disputes at once, and Azoff was keen to deal—as it turned out, the number to remember in the Chinese Democracy saga isn’t 17, but 360.
Word is it was Azoff who initiated the push to resolve all the issues at once, in a negotiation led on the Universal side by the corporation’s president, Zach Horowitz—though who was leveraging who depends on who you ask. After months of back and forth, a deal was worked out to resolve all of Axl’s disputes, with Chinese Democracy—and a nice “thanks for the retail exclusive” check from Best Buy—underwriting the peace agreements. Slash and Duff are receiving a little payback for their troubles from Axl’s Sanctuary deals, and Axl himself received a new advance, though the currently undisclosed figure is said to be somewhat less than it would have been if he didn’t have to give something up to settle the outstanding debts.
It’s possible that the satisfaction of clearing both his books and his legal docket all by simply stepping away from the mixing board and saying “OK, I’m done” had no bearing on Axl’s decision to finally put out Chinese Democracy. But is it likely?
(And, of course, whether Chinese Democracy finally being off Axl's back will result in Guns N’ Roses’ next album coming out before the end of this decade is a question that should at least wait until Sunday's one-day SoundScan estimates are out.)
#4 Guns N' Roses » Why "Scraped" lyrics seem so familiar » 834 weeks ago
- gnrfan1987-present
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Why do the lyrics for "Scraped" sound so familiar? Axl nicked the chorus from a cheesey Jefferson Starship love song called "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us now" from the godawful 1987 movie "Mannequin."
GnR SCRAPED:
Don’t you try to stop us now. I just refuse
Don’t you try to stop us now. ‘Cause I just won’t let you
Sometimes I feel like the world is on top of me
Breaking me down with an endless monotony
Sometimes I feel like there’s nothing that’s stopping me
All things are possible I am unstoppable
Some may convince you. No one can break through
I’m here to tell you. You’re worth more than they tell you
Don’t you try to stop us now. I just refuse
Nothing’s impossible. I am inconquerable
No one can make you do what they want to
You know you’re stronger Than the lies that they tell you
Don’t you try to stop us now. I just refuse
Don’t you try to stop us now. Cause I just won’t let you
Believe in yourself
STARSHIP: NOTHING'S GONNA STOP US NOW
Let 'em say we're crazy, I don't care about that
Put your hand in my hand, baby, don't ever look back
Let the world around us just fall apart
Baby, we can make it if we're heart-to-heart
And we can build this dream together. Standing strong forever
Nothing's gonna stop us now
And if this world runs out of lovers. We'll still have each other
Nothing's gonna stop us, nothing's gonna stop us now, whoa no
I'm so glad I found you, I'm not gonna lose you
Whatever it takes, I will stay here with you
Take you to the good times, see you through the bad times
Whatever it takes is what I'm gonna do
And we can build this dream together
Standing strong forever
Nothing's gonna stop us now
And if this world runs out of lovers
We'll still have each other
Nothing's gonna stop us, nothing's gonna stop us, ooh
*** Just kidding. I actually like Axl's vocal stylings on "Scraped." It's just the lyrics seem like one 80's cliche' after another. I guess every great album needs one throwaway tune.
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Is "Sorry" Axl's F.U. to the fans? » 834 weeks ago
Axlin08 wrote:Nah, Sorry is about Slash.
It's possible but I don't see any stronger case that it is about Slash than it is about the fans. I'd be glad to hear both sides of the argument supported by lyrics. Right now I lean more toward it being to the fans.
Some of the lyrics read like they were inspired by the attitude of the moderators over at the HTGTH message board.
Imagine Axl posting a message over there and saying:
Dear Fans:
RE: Personal attacks against me and my behavior and personal life:
"You like to hurt me. You know that you do. You don't know why I won't act the way you think I should."
"You talk so much. You said I do. Difference is nobody cares about you."
"You got all the answers. You know everything. Why nobody asked you. Is a mystery to me."
"It's harder to live with the truth about you then to live with the lies about me."
RE: The delays with Chinese Democracy:
"You don't know why I won't give in. To hell with the pressure I'm not caving in."
"Nobody owes you. Not one goddamn thing. You know where to put your 'shut up and sing.'"
RE: About false news stories and rumors surrounding the band:
"You tell them stories they'd rather believe. Use and confuse them. They're numb and naive."
"I'm sorry for you. Not sorry for me. You don't know who in the hell to or not to believe."
Love
Axl
*** Personally I doubt it was written about Slash since it came out it was created in 2004 (before Buckethead left the band). And Slash's late night visit didn't happen until 2006 and his bio didn't come out until last year. I thought maybe it could be a response to Scott Weiland's tirade in 06. Who knows.
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » What songs would work best live? » 834 weeks ago
Here's my idea for a 2009 set list (trying to imagine what Axl might pick and the audience could tolerate). I'd exlude the half dozen band member solos:
Chinese Democracy
Mr. Brownstone
It's So Easy
I.R.S.
Don't Cry
Sweet Child O Mine
Shackler's Revenge
You Could Be Mine
The Blues
This I Love (intro only)
November Rain
My Michelle
Night Train
Sorry
Civil War
Patience
There Was A Time
ENCORES:
Welcome To The Jungle
Better
Paradise City
#7 Guns N' Roses » Is "Sorry" Axl's F.U. to the fans? » 834 weeks ago
- gnrfan1987-present
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First time I heard "Sorry" I thought "this is probably about Slash" but after listening to it a few times I'm thinking it's Axl's big "fuck you" to his disgruntled fans. Particularly on various internet fan forums.
Exs:
"You like to hurt me. You know that you do."
"You don't know why I won't act the way you think I should."
"You thought they'd make me behave and submit. What were you thinking because I don't forget."
"You don't know why I won't give in. To hell with the pressure I'm not caving in." (about releasing this damn record)
"You talk so much. You said I do. Difference is nobody cares about you." (people endlessly criticising new GnR on message boards)
"You got all the answers. You know everything. Why nobody asked you. Is a mystery to me."
"You tell them stories they'd rather believe. Use and confuse them. They're numb and naive."
"I'm sorry for you. Not sorry for me. You don't know who in the hell to or not to believe."
"It's harder to live with the truth about you then to live with the lies about me."
"Nobody owes you. Not one goddamn thing. You know where to put your 'shut up and sing.'"
And so on...
Seems like he's describing our whole wait for Chinese Democracy and all the so called negativity on the message boards. How for a decade we had no clue who to trust or believe when it came to the status of the record and the band.
What do you all think? It wouldn't be too surprising coming from a guy who's always treated his fans like shit. Of course if he ever admitted "Sorry" was a message to his fan base he would officially commit career suicide.
But it's funny after hearing that song I kind of took it personal like "Damn Axl. That really hurt. Sorry I lost faith man!"
#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » Thank god this thing's finally out » 834 weeks ago
In alot of ways it's truely a GN'R record, at least in the UYI-sense. People talk about how good CD is in comparison to the "bloated" Illusion albums.
Huh?
People should go back and listen to the Illusions again. Honestly CD gives me a headache because there is SO much going on with each track. It's like my ears get overloaded or something. Plus the Illusions were finished in like a year while CD took 14. Not many bands can great 2 1/2 hours of "all killer, no filler" music in a year. But GnR came pretty close in 1991.
And after 14 years CD should be all killer. I mean, let's get real. In that amount time there shouldn't be a dud on the album. But there is one... "Scraped." I'm thinking that cheese would have been rejected from both Illusions by the rest of GnR.
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » so, does CD stand up as a Guns N' Roses album? » 834 weeks ago
Not to knock Axl, I personally don't consider CD as being part of the original GnR album catalogue. This is a new era. Really unrelated to the 1987-1991 heyday (I don't count TSI because Izzy wasn't there and it's nothing but covers). In my mind this is "Guns n Roses Mach II." Kind of like when Joe Strummer fired Mick Jones and continued with The Clash. Everyone calls that second lineup "The Clash II." Or comparing the Roger Waters led Pink Floyd era to the David Gilmour one. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fine Axl calls this new group Guns n Roses. (Duff, Slash and Izzy don't seem to give a shit anymore so why should I) but I sleep better thinking of this group as a separate entity from the classic lineup.
The reason CD is NOT a true GnR record is because of what it's missing: Slash's dangerous guitar solos and hardcore riffing. Duff's relentless bass and rough backup vocals. Izzy's blues swagger and street smart lyrics. Steven's simple yet powerful drumming. That whole Aerosmith mixed with AC/DC feel that slowly started to evaporate on the Illusion discs. I personally miss Axl singing about getting laid and high. But he's older now and ever since 1991 he's had his artistic sights set on creating another Dark Side of the Moon or Sgt Pepper. Instead of just putting out cool rock n roll albums like Izzy and Velvet Revolver have done.
Chinese Democracy in my view is just a great Axl Rose solo album. A damn good one IMO. And while there's elements that are similar to the classic GnR albums from 2 decades ago, this is a totally different beast entirely. How could Axl sound like GnR when he's the only one left? Ever wondered why Paul, George, John and Ringo all sound average on their solo albums but were awesome as The Beatles? No one member can create that classic Beatles sound on their own.
#10 Guns N' Roses » What songs would work best live? » 834 weeks ago
- gnrfan1987-present
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I keep hoping the official site will announce a "Guns n Roses Chinese Democracy Concert" soon in which Axl and the current band will perform the entire album live. (And then for the encore they can pay GnR's Greatest Hits to please the fairweather fans who only want to hear AFD). Pink Floyd and The Who used to do that. Perform their latest album in its entirety and in sequence.
The problem as I see it is although most the songs on CD would work live (we've already heard a half dozen performed). The majority just don't sound right next to the GnR classics. Going from "It's So Easy" to "Better" and from "You Could Be Mine" to "IRS" never has really worked. If GnR does tour next year I think the following should be included in the set:
Chinese Democracy (as show opener)
Shackler's Revenge (in place of "Live and Let Die")
Better (as encore)
The Blues (works well before or after November Rain)
There Was A Time (show closer)
Sorry (should have been performed back in 2006)
This I Love (Axl should have played a portion of this instead of that "I'm An Asshole" piano bit in 2002).
As far as the rest of the songs, I'm not sure how "If The World," "Catcher In The Rye," and "Prostitute" could be pulled off live. "Madagascar" has been over-played since 2001 and could easily be dropped. And "Riad" and "Scraped" just arent' that great IMO.
It would be awesome to have a "Chinese Democracy" concert though, with Axl and the current band plus an orchestra and special guests Buckethead and Robin Finck. I'm not holding my breath though. I get the feeling Axl is kicking back enjoying his Best Buy album advance money.